# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1041 "2013-03-12T04:33:57Z")
^^^ I’ve already given my two cents on that situation so wouldn’t saying it again only be repetitive and redundant? Not to mention, telling someone something that they already know doesn’t accomplish anything either. God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. I don’t even know who it is that you are talking about anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1042 "2013-03-12T05:28:42Z")
Post 1041, in response to Post 1040, is a rather disgusting comment. J.O.S.H., I don’t care how old you are in reality. You could be 16, you could be 46. The fact remains, though, you have a whole lot of growing up to do. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1043 "2013-03-12T06:41:16Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > Yes there is such a forum, and if you really are as smart as you think you are, there would be no reason for you to ask me where you can find it, because you could find it yourself. Yeah, right. I should spend time Googling around to try to find something you say exists and I say doesn’t? No thanks - I’m not going to waste my time proving your negatives. You are the one that made the claim - prove it or put up with it being added to your pile of lies. (Don’t bother repeating that you “lie to noone”. As I said, repeating it doesn’t make it true.) > [@](#): > > What did they end up doing? I don’t know about them, but I believe that when the dust finally settled, John did not have to change a thing. Blink. You don’t know but you just assume that he was as big an asshole as you are? Wow. > [@Monty](#): > > I may have mentioned this before, but that’s the only way she wants to interact with anyone at all. She can now tell herself how blessed she is because of the abuse she’s received, in her mind, at the hands of others. Of course, she completely misunderstands that bit of Scripture, but, hey, that’s par for the course with a certain element of Fundamentalists. Oh, and she’s also completely ignoring the Scriptural stance on dishonesty and how to treat other people. > > Yeah, she’s not actually a martyr but this is the nearest she can get to being one without expending too much effort. I mean, look at how her lies don’t mesh. If she expended a bit of effort, her fiction would at least be consistent. Seriously? I mean, you think she’s like this in real life? > [@drewtwo99](#): > > Hey Holly. Seems our longtime friend and charter member Opalcat has most probably killed herself. Oh no - I am so sorry to hear this. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1044 "2013-03-12T07:01:36Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Seriously? I mean, you think she’s like this in real life? I have no doubt she’s exactly like that in real life. Of course, in real life she also elects for the “easy martyrdom” of complaining about being an outcast because of her “godliness” or some other such easy thing to whine about. She doesn’t do anything that would require either effort (getting actual education on the issues about which she makes blanket statements) or decency (knowing when not to say hurtful comments to people in grief) on her part. > [@](#): > > Oh no - I am so sorry to hear this. I had major disagreement with her, but I’m also sad about that too. I don’t usually peruse MPSTIMS so the way I found out was that post in this very thread. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1045 "2013-03-12T07:15:38Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I have no doubt she’s exactly like that in real life. Of course, in real life she also elects for the “easy martyrdom” of complaining about being an outcast because of her “godliness” or some other such easy thing to whine about. She doesn’t do anything that would require either effort (getting actual education on the issues about which she makes blanket statements) or decency (knowing when not to say hurtful comments to people in grief) on her part. I just have trouble wrapping my mind around something like that. Why make life harder for yourself? That couldn’t possibly make her happy? > [@](#): > > I had major disagreement with her, but I’m also sad about that too. I don’t usually peruse MPSTIMS so the way I found out was that post in this very thread. I didn’t know her at all, but reading thru that thread made me tear up. How can people like JOSH think it’s appropriate to shit all over that? Ya know, JOSH doesn’t deserve any sympathy or kind thoughts, but I hope she never knows the kind of pain suicides go thru before they take that final step. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1046 "2013-03-12T07:22:39Z")
I envision her being one of those people who returns a simple “Happy holidays!” with a scathing “Merry **Christmas** ”. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1047 "2013-03-12T07:24:56Z")
> [@Achren](#): > > I envision her being one of those people who returns a simple “Happy holidays!” with a scathing “Merry **Christmas** ”. She is exactly that person. Except it would be one of those saccharine sweet “Christmas” returns… the scathing would be more or less drenched in insincerity. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1048 "2013-03-12T07:49:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Post 1041, in response to Post 1040, is a rather disgusting comment. J.O.S.H., I don’t care how old you are in reality. You could be 16, you could be 46. The fact remains, though, you have a whole lot of growing up to do. So do the rest of y’all obviously. > [@curlcoat](#): > > (Don’t bother repeating that you “lie to noone”. As I said, repeating it doesn’t make it true.) This all goes triple for the bunk that you and everyone else here that spewed all of your bunk in my direction. God bless you two and the rest of your dishonest ilk always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1049 "2013-03-12T07:53:30Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I just have trouble wrapping my mind around something like that. Why make life harder for yourself? That couldn’t possibly make her happy? You know the expression, “She’s not happy unless she’s got something to complain about,” don’t you? Well, this is the religious-addict version of it. Her purpose is to be a martyr, but not one who dies to become one of course. So, she does and says things that will get an unpleasant comment thrown to her, not about just different situations that are unpleasant, but about how _she_ and _her words_ are unpleasant/vicious/wrong/unchristian/etc. And she thrives on it. > [@](#): > > I didn’t know her at all, but reading thru that thread made me tear up. How can people like JOSH think it’s appropriate to shit all over that? See just above. > [@](#): > > Ya know, JOSH doesn’t deserve any sympathy or kind thoughts, but I hope she never knows the kind of pain suicides go thru before they take that final step. That’s what’s known as a christian attitude. She’d do well to emulate it. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1050 "2013-03-12T08:16:06Z")
So, nobody thinks **drewtwo99** is a _fucking asshole_ for attempting to bait Holly into a genuine and heartfelt _fucking memorial Thread_ in which people are sincerely mourning the loss of a long time member of the community who many knew and who all of us “knew” in at least the online-only sense though she touched our lives nevertheless? Holly, thank you for not taking that bait. **drewtwo99** , you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1051 "2013-03-12T10:15:21Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I’ve already given my two cents on that situation so wouldn’t saying it again only be repetitive and redundant? Coming from you that is just fucking hilarious. If you weren’t allowed to constantly regurgitate the same pseudo-religious bullshit you do in pretty much every one of your posts, the only things you’d have left to talk about are which musicians you’re currently stalking and the pros and cons of getting extra fries with your happy meal. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1052 "2013-03-12T11:28:29Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > So, nobody thinks **drewtwo99** is a _fucking asshole_ for attempting to bait Holly into a genuine and heartfelt _fucking memorial Thread_ in which people are sincerely mourning the loss of a long time member of the community who many knew and who all of us “knew” in at least the online-only sense though she touched our lives nevertheless? > > Holly, thank you for not taking that bait. > > **drewtwo99** , you’re an asshole. I concur, if only for that particular post. I have to say that, as trolls go, **JOSH** is doing an outstanding job. Rarely have I seen someone get under the skin of so many people so quickly by doing so little. Let it go, people. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1053 "2013-03-12T11:32:09Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Hey Holly. Seems our longtime friend and charter member Opalcat has most probably killed herself. Wanna make a few more enemies? Pop over to the MPSIMS thread announcing her passing, and offer your little wisdom about where she might be right now if she did commit suicide. > > God bless you to hell always! That’s incredibly lousy. Poke her all you want. Bait her into assaying something that could hurt a lot of people? Crappy move. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1054 "2013-03-12T13:35:19Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > So, nobody thinks **drewtwo99** is a _fucking asshole_ for attempting to bait Holly into a genuine and heartfelt _fucking memorial Thread_ in which people are sincerely mourning the loss of a long time member of the community who many knew and who all of us “knew” in at least the online-only sense though she touched our lives nevertheless? > > Holly, thank you for not taking that bait. > > **drewtwo99** , you’re an asshole. agreed. :mad: I was going to ignore him and hope nothing came of it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1055 "2013-03-12T13:39:57Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > So maybe it’s time to move on? I realize I’m being a hypocrite. I piled on the abuse early in this thread. But come on, Holly’s attackers are starting to look kinda ridiculous. > > She is posting ok stuff in other threads, mainly involving music. For whatever length of time she has dealt with caring for her mother, and she has used coping mechanisms for handling adversity like we all have. > > No, I haven’t found The Lord, I’m still a strong atheist. So strong that I can accept the ceremonial deism I see all the time. I wish Holly only the best and feel like a jerk for my earlier behavior. > > So, move on? > [@bienville](#): > > So, nobody thinks **drewtwo99** is a _fucking asshole_ for attempting to bait Holly into a genuine and heartfelt _fucking memorial Thread_ in which people are sincerely mourning the loss of a long time member of the community who many knew and who all of us “knew” in at least the online-only sense though she touched our lives nevertheless? > > Holly, thank you for not taking that bait. > > **drewtwo99** , you’re an asshole. Seconding both of these posts. And adding that this was a hell of a way to find out about **OpalCat**. Shit. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1056 "2013-03-12T13:46:01Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Hey Holly. Seems our longtime friend and charter member Opalcat has most probably killed herself. Wanna make a few more enemies? Pop over to the MPSIMS thread announcing her passing, and offer your little wisdom about where she might be right now if she did commit suicide. This post was absolutely uncalled for. Jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1057 "2013-03-12T14:00:58Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > That’s incredibly lousy. Poke her all you want. Bait her into assaying something that could hurt a lot of people? Crappy move. It _would_ likely have gotten her Instabanned. I can only fault him for the stupidity of not _thinking of how everyone else_ would feel about it. I’m glad she didn’t take the bait. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1058 "2013-03-12T14:10:43Z")
^^^ To me, my not taking such a bait should go to show how much of a troll I really am **not**. > [@bienville](#): > > So, nobody thinks **drewtwo99** is a _fucking asshole_ for attempting to bait Holly into a genuine and heartfelt _fucking memorial Thread_ in which people are sincerely mourning the loss of a long time member of the community who many knew and who all of us “knew” in at least the online-only sense though she touched our lives nevertheless? > > Holly, thank you for not taking that bait. You’re so welcome. 🙂 🙂 🙂 And for the record, everything that I said in response to their idea is true. Also if I haven’t said it yet, in all honesty I don’t wish such harm on **anyone**. What I have already said about suicide is just a belief that I have that I pray is not true. I just can’t see the Lord letting someone into his place after they went and threw away what it is that he **died** in order for us to have: life. ☹ ☹ ☹ > [@Gyrate](#): > > I have to say that, as trolls go, **JOSH** is doing an outstanding job. Rarely have I seen someone get under the skin of so many people so quickly by doing so little. > > Let it go, people. If what I have inadvertently done here is really that little, then that right there is just it. No matter how the rest of y’all look at me, I **don’t** go online to cause trouble… **anywhere**. I just give my two cents on the things that interest me just like any other normal person does. What burns up so many of you people is the fact that I don’t hesitate to stand apart from y’all on certain things. Well if y’all thought that everyone online was going to have the same opinions and beliefs that y’all have, that was a very naive expectation on your part that can’t be blamed on any one but your own selves. God bless you three and drewtwo99 always!!! Holly P.S. And if this Opalcat person that y’all are speaking of here is really not with us anymore, I pray that the Lord looks after their family and that the Lord is able to forgive them if they decided to throw away what he died for them to have. (bowing my head) ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1059 "2013-03-12T14:15:48Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > P.S. And if this Opalcat person that y’all are speaking of here is really not with us anymore, I pray that the Lord looks after their family and that the Lord is **able to forgive them if they decided to throw away what he died for them to have**. (bowing my head) I guess you’re right. You don’t INTENTIONALLY cause trouble. You’re just a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1060 "2013-03-12T14:18:49Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I just can’t see the Lord letting someone into his place after they went and threw away what it is that he **died** in order for us to have: life. ☹ ☹ ☹ Personally I try not to assume what the Lord will or won’t do. Hubris tends to have blowback. > [@](#): > > If what I have inadvertently done here is really that little, then that right there is just it. No matter how the rest of y’all look at me, I **don’t** go online to cause trouble… **anywhere**. I just give my two cents on the things that interest me just like any other normal person does. What burns up so many of you people is the fact that I don’t hesitate to stand apart from y’all on certain things. Well if y’all thought that everyone online was going to have the same opinions and beliefs that y’all have, that was a very naive expectation on your part that can’t be blamed on any one but your own selves. Erm, we don’t all agree on things; hence, in particular, this forum and Great Debates. There’s not much of a debate nor conflict if we all agree. So if we all set aside our differences to tell you how annoying your posting style is, perhaps there’s some truth to what we’re saying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=54)