# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1061 "2013-03-12T14:19:49Z")
J.O.S.H. contributes nothing of value here, will be gone as soon as she gets bored with this place, and I’m pretty much over caring anything about her at all. **drewtwo** , on the other hand, is a long-term member of this message board and should goddamn well know better. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1062 "2013-03-12T14:29:19Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I guess you’re right. You don’t INTENTIONALLY cause trouble. > > You’re just a fucking moron. Thank you for letting me know where it is that **you** choose to stand. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1063 "2013-03-12T14:32:55Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > Thank you for letting me know where it is that **you** choose to stand. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly No problem. When you’re ready for a good therapist, just drop me a line. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1064 "2013-03-12T14:40:30Z")
^^^ Thanks, but no thanks. Because of the three times that my mom was hit by another car driver in the year 2011 alone, she has been seeing someone and from what she has shared with me, going to someone does absolutely nothing. Going to someone can’t change what has already happened and going to someone is not going to make the road any safer either. God bless you and my mom always!!! Holly P.S. In all seriousness, what good is going to a therapist when this is sadly a “Talk is cheap.” kind of world? ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1065 "2013-03-12T14:45:24Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > P.S. In all seriousness, what good is going to a therapist when this is sadly a “Talk is cheap.” kind of world? I’m just going to quote that back to you and let it bounce around in your head for a while, sort of like an echo bouncing around in a vast empty space. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1066 "2013-03-12T14:55:42Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > **drewtwo** , on the other hand, is a long-term member of this message board and should goddamn well know better. I don’t think **drew** was serious about that and certainly didn’t expect her to enter that thread. It was more of a rhetorical comment, along the lines of, “Now that it’s effecting someone we know, your continued comments on the line will make you more enemies.” At least, that’s what I hope **drew** wasy trying to say. (S)He will likely let me know in this thread if I’m mistaken on that. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1067 "2013-03-12T14:56:16Z")
**drewtwo99** , that was really a piece of shit move and you’re lucky it’s being ignored. It also speaks to the bigger problem in this thread: if **James Otto Sweet Heart** is a troll, so are about a half dozen of the people who are trying desperately to annoy her/upset her/make her go away/realize she’s a terrible person. If you’re trying to bait her into getting banned or leaving and she doesn’t rise to the bait, that suggests maybe she has more sense than the people who are getting on her case. That’s a very, very bad sign for all concerned. > [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > It _would_ likely have gotten her Instabanned. If she’d done it on her own, maybe. If some jerkoff encouraged her to do it just to get her in trouble, maybe not. We don’t like to see that kind of bullshit. While we’re at it- > [@Do NOT Feed The Troll](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-feed-the-troll/650838/85): > > In **pchaos** ’ case, we’re poking the troll with sticks to get him to violate the rules enough to get banned. He’s already obliged us by starting a thread that got him a troll warning. Just a few more, and he’ll be gone. :):)🙂 Don’t do this, and don’t do that idiotic thing where you stick your head into a bunch of threads to “alert” people that someone is about to be banned. Wise the fuck up or you’ll be treated as a troll yourself. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1068 "2013-03-12T15:04:09Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I’m just going to quote that back to you and let it bounce around in your head for a while, sort of like an echo bouncing around in a vast empty space. I know what you are implying here but because that is not what I was talking about in the first place, I am going to ignore it. What I am wanting to know is what is the point of therapy when it doesn’t change what has already happened to a person and pretty much only makes that person relive their reason for even going to a therapist over and over and over again? How can a person get past what they have been through if they continue to keep bringing it up? God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1069 "2013-03-12T15:10:07Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I know what you are implying here but because that is not what I was talking about in the first place, I am going to ignore it. What I am wanting to know is what is the point of therapy when it doesn’t change what has already happened to a person and pretty much only makes that person relive their reason for even going to a therapist over and over and over again? How can a person get past what they have been through if they continue to keep bringing it up? > God bless you always!!! > Holly I see you know almost as much about therapy as you do about Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1070 "2013-03-12T15:14:49Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > At least, that’s what I hope **drew** wasy trying to say. (S)He will likely let me know in this thread if I’m mistaken on that. Yes, of course. You’ve offered a less inflammatory alibi the only alternative to which is that **drewtwo99** was being a complete asshole. No doubt, **drewtwo99** will let you know if you happen to be mistaken. Even if it was a “rhetorical comment”, it created the very real possibility of derailing the memorial Thread. So, either way, it was a dick move of the highest order. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1071 "2013-03-12T15:15:54Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I see you know almost as much about therapy as you do about Christianity. I’ve been in church all my life, but I’ve never once been to any form of therapy because I have **never** needed it. God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. I do have a question for you though and if you choose not to answer it, that will tell me everything that I need to know. Why do you know so much about therapy? ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1072 "2013-03-12T15:21:07Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I’ve been in church all my life, but I’ve never once been to any form of therapy because I have **never** needed it. > God bless you always!!! > Holly > P.S. I do have a question for you though and if you choose not to answer it, that will tell me everything that I need to know. Why do you know so much about therapy? Yes. And I wonder what the moral of that particular story is. 😛 edit: missed your PS, I have a lot of psychiatric problems but they’re neurological rather than behavioral. I’ll wait while you go look that up. Back so soon? Anyway, from my support groups I know lots of people in therapy, ergo I know a lot about it. I also know a lot more about Christianity than you do as well. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1073 "2013-03-12T15:25:15Z")
Holly, there is almost no way that your trolly actions here on the Dope are unintentional. But if they are, amazingly, unintentional , you are a level of denseness that exceeds [Osmium](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmium), which is the densest stable element. If we can somehow prove that your actions truly are above aboard, and not an effort to troll for caustic responses, I suggest we rename Osmium something like JOSHium. At least twice in this thread I have attempted to engage you in a serious debate, with no sarcasm, and no profanities. See, that’s called adapting to the preferred communication style of another person. That’s what respectful decent people who truly want to engage in a conversation do. Alas, it was a lost effort. Both times you evaded my questions with ridiculous unrelated assertions, bunny trails, or off-topic anecdotes. I am 100% convinced that you are either unwilling, or unable to engage in an intelligent thoughtful discussion. I will not place you on ignore, as you keep suggesting, but I will no longer give your posts any consideration. As far as I am concerned, you have committed “posting suicide” by the use of “willful ignorance”. Good day to you. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1074 "2013-03-12T15:44:13Z")
Holly, I will not ask you to change your beliefs but may I ask, just for the sake of conversation, that you allow yourself to consider a slightly different line of reasoning (just as a thought experiment)? > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I just can’t see the Lord letting someone into his place after they went and threw away what it is that he **died** in order for us to have: life. Could it be, and I’m just asking you to consider the possibility, could it be that the Lord is able to allow these unfortunate children of His “into his place” perhaps for a reason such as this: > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > . . . the Lord is able to forgive them I don’t think this line of reasoning is at all contradicted by the foundation of your religious values, in fact I think the foundation of your religious values is supportive of such an idea. Again, not asking you to change, just asking you to explore the possibility that the compassion that is at the core of Jesus’ teachings just may be strong enough to bring peace where it may seem unimaginable to we who do not know God’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1075 "2013-03-12T16:13:43Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Don’t do this, and don’t do that idiotic thing where you stick your head into a bunch of threads to “alert” people that someone is about to be banned. Wise the fuck up or you’ll be treated as a troll yourself. 😕 That was a couple of weeks ago, and you _already_ reamed me for it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1076 "2013-03-12T16:21:38Z")
My sincerest apologies to all those who I offended with my post about Opalcat. I was a sincere fan of hers, and am sad to see her gone! I was just being a smart ass with regards to Holly (figured she well knew about it already and I was being a jerk, in the pit, about it). I definitely crossed a line and upset lots of you, and for that I am sorry. (Seriously, my heart started beating pretty fast when I saw everyone saying what an asshole thing I had done, etc. I genuinely feel bad. My attempt was not to truly goad her into dumping in the memorial thread, I hope it is obvious now that I care for Opal and would NOT want that. Hell I don’t even dislike Holly or want to see her banned, I think she’s kind fun. I was just being an ass to Holly because of her outrageously offensive belief regarding suicides.) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1077 "2013-03-12T16:25:18Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I know what you are implying here but because that is not what I was talking about in the first place, I am going to ignore it. What I am wanting to know is what is the point of therapy when it doesn’t change what has already happened to a person and pretty much only makes that person relive their reason for even going to a therapist over and over and over again? How can a person get past what they have been through if they continue to keep bringing it up? > God bless you always!!! > Holly Because suppressing it is far worse than examining the issues and coming to terms with them. It’s not about changing the past; it’s about dealing with the effect of the past on the present, which allows you to move on. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1078 "2013-03-12T17:38:14Z")
^^^ I don’t believe that burying it as if nothing ever happened is the answer either. I am just saying that being reminded of it constantly is not going to help a person move forward when being reminded of it only makes you go backwards. > [@leftfield6](#): > > Holly, there is almost no way that your trolly actions here on the Dope are unintentional. > > But if they are, amazingly, unintentional , you are a level of denseness that exceeds [Osmium](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmium), which is the densest stable element. > > If we can somehow prove that your actions truly are above aboard, and not an effort to troll for caustic responses, I suggest we rename Osmium something like JOSHium. > > At least twice in this thread I have attempted to engage you in a serious debate, with no sarcasm, and no profanities. See, that’s called adapting to the preferred communication style of another person. That’s what respectful decent people who truly want to engage in a conversation do. Alas, it was a lost effort. Both times you evaded my questions with ridiculous unrelated assertions, bunny trails, or off-topic anecdotes. I am 100% convinced that you are either unwilling, or unable to engage in an intelligent thoughtful discussion. I will not place you on ignore, as you keep suggesting, but I will no longer give your posts any consideration. > > As far as I am concerned, you have committed “posting suicide” by the use of “willful ignorance”. > > Good day to you. Yet, I’m still here. And yes giving my two cents on what interests me is all that it ever is with me. How everyone else responses to what I have to say is all up to everyone else. You can either ignore what is said, agree with it or ask the person any questions that you may have about what they say if you don’t agree. > [@bienville](#): > > Holly, I will not ask you to change your beliefs but may I ask, just for the sake of conversation, that you allow yourself to consider a slightly different line of reasoning (just as a thought experiment)? > > Could it be, and I’m just asking you to consider the possibility, could it be that the Lord is able to allow these unfortunate children of His “into his place” perhaps for a reason such as this: > I don’t think this line of reasoning is at all contradicted by the foundation of your religious values, in fact I think the foundation of your religious values is supportive of such an idea. Again, not asking you to change, just asking you to explore the possibility that the compassion that is at the core of Jesus’ teachings just may be strong enough to bring peace where it may seem unimaginable to we who do not know God’s mind. I believe that a person has to ask the Lord for forgiveness of the wrong that they are guilty of first before they can be welcomed into his place, in other words of course they have to repent, but if they are not sorry for what they do, what reason would there be for them to repent? Another reason why I believe that people who do this don’t make it to his place is because of them not putting the lives of those left behind before their own. How many have been ruined by those who have decided to put an end to their own? How many now feel like that they weren’t worth sticking around for? > [@drewtwo99](#): > > I don’t even dislike Holly or want to see her banned, I think she’s kind fun. Thank you! 🙂 🙂 🙂 When I saw people jump on you for what you suggested to me, I started wondering if they were going to give you your own chat in this area of the forum since you inadvertently raised a few eyebrows too just like I did. :eek: :eek: :eek: God bless you four always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1079 "2013-03-12T17:52:36Z")
These aren’t “chats.” I can only assume you’re also using “eyebrows” in place of something else being raised. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1080 "2013-03-12T18:39:04Z")
^^^ Blood pressure can be raised. Is that what you mean? God bless you always!!! Holly [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=55)