# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1101 "2013-03-12T23:59:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I say this was a digression but frankly the train of this thread jumped the tracks, plowed through the cornfield and headed off over the horizon several pages ago. So I’ll leave it at that. So basically what you’re saying is, it’s the [Polar Express](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338348/) of threads, except we’re not going to see Santa? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1102 "2013-03-13T00:05:10Z")
22 pages and still no idea _who the hell_ James Otto is! ---
**Author:** ![living\_in\_hell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@living\_in\_hell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/living_in_hell)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1103 "2013-03-13T00:12:56Z")
> [@missred](#): > > Did it ever occur to you that you are on a forum heavily populated by computer geeks and internet gurus? It’s not that hard to verify or not verify some of the stuff you’ve posted here and on other sites. 😃 Hurr freaking durr yah we all need a computer geek and Internet guru to GOOGLE HER NAME. :rolleyes: Again, I ask. Are you this stupid or just being an uber passive aggressive biznatch? I am really struggling on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1104 "2013-03-13T00:25:16Z")
Hey, here’s something I just noticed. For all her faults/ignorance/attitude, there’s one very positive thing about Holly: she, at least, knows how to spell _y’all_! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1105 "2013-03-13T00:31:51Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I don’t know why I keep opening this thread. She’s not even an interesting troll. She’s utterly predictable and boring. And I lose a handful of brain cells every time I check back in. This is internet crack. And Holly, I’m not calling you a crack. I would never do that. ;);)😉 I mean like crack the drug. I hear that once you get a taste, it’s hard (pardon me, Holly, I didn’t mean hard like “Boner” hard.) to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1106 "2013-03-13T01:24:04Z")
^^^ No hard feelings…no pun intended there…I know how other people think. :eek: :eek: :eek: > [@deltasigma](#): > > In other words you don’t deny what I said. That’s ok. If you want to be proud of your ignorance, you have lots of company. It seems to be a requirement for being a fundamentalist Christian. Just don’t try to hide the fact. Be like the gays. Be loud and proud. I mean you’ve already got the ‘loud’ part down after all. 😃 If you think that I have lots of company, thank you for letting me know that I am not the only person who I believe is on the right track. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Holly, if you look at it a certain way, wasn’t Jesus himself a suicide? And if you can resist, I’d appreciate it, if you respond, if you’d not “God Bless me always”. If you don’t mind. The Lord gave his life so that we could have one of our own. If that is considered suicide, what do you call the act of taking your own life as a favor to yourself? I don’t know about you, but I call that flat out selfish in the worst way because you are putting what you think that you need first before the needs and feelings of those that you are going to leave behind. > [@Gyrate](#): > > As others have pointed out, that’s really not how therapy works. > > I say this was a digression but frankly the train of this thread jumped the tracks, plowed through the cornfield and headed off over the horizon several pages ago. So I’ll leave it at that. I didn’t start this chat, but since the person who did decided to have it be about me, in my opinion my asking about anything that is on my mind is a rather fitting thing. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@Gatopescado](#): > > 22 pages and still no idea _who the hell_ James Otto is! James is my most favorite singer and as of right now, his most well known song named “I Just Got Started Loving You” not only went to #1 for 2 weeks and scored him his first ever Grammy award nomination in early 2009, but it was also named the #1 country song of 2008. Sadly the Grammy award did not go to him, but later that year James was given the CMA and ACM Song of the Year award for his being a writer of the song named “In Color” done by fellow country singer Jamey Johnson. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@Monty](#): > > Hey, here’s something I just noticed. For all her faults/ignorance/attitude, there’s one very positive thing about Holly: she, at least, knows how to spell _y’all_! Well y’all is a big phrase where I am. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you six always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1107 "2013-03-13T01:33:13Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > If you think that I have lots of company, thank you for letting me know that I am not the only person who I believe is on the right track. 🙂 🙂 🙂 As I said, being proud of your ignorance is a requirement of being a fundamentalist Christian. Part of that obviously is believing that you’re on the ‘right track’ regardless of what logic, reason, or any of the other faculties that make us uniquely human would lead you to believe. There’s a reason that fundamentalist preachers like to emphasize the shepherd and sheep analogy you know. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1108 "2013-03-13T01:57:00Z")
^^^ Oh well. You have what you believe and I have what I believe, but the person who will have the **final** word is the Lord. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1109 "2013-03-13T02:03:56Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Oh well. You have what you believe and I have what I believe, but the person who will have the **final** word is the Lord. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly Yup. That’s the way to handle things sweetie. Ignore everything you don’t agree with or can’t understand, which is pretty much everything. Are you still having trouble understanding why you don’t fit in here? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1110 "2013-03-13T02:08:51Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > Yup. That’s the way to handle things sweetie. Ignore everything you don’t agree with or can’t understand, which is pretty much everything. > > Are you still having trouble understanding why you don’t fit in here? :dubious: Um, I’m going to take a wild stab and say she’ll just ignore this question. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1111 "2013-03-13T02:11:46Z")
Actually, I finally realized why she picked this forum - the motto “fighting ignorance.” I think she took as a personal challenge. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1112 "2013-03-13T02:11:50Z")
^^^ Well fighting **against** the ignorant is what I believe that I have been doing with y’all who decided to pick a fight with me. Is that close enough to what you are saying here? > [@Ambivalid](#): > > Um, I’m going to take a wild stab and say she’ll just ignore this question. Your stab wasn’t wild enough. Sorry. ☹ ☹ ☹ > [@deltasigma](#): > > Yup. That’s the way to handle things sweetie. Ignore everything you don’t agree with or can’t understand, which is pretty much everything. > > Are you still having trouble understanding why you don’t fit in here? :dubious: No and that is because it doesn’t really matter to me if I do fit in or not. I just respond to what interests me enough. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you two always!!! Holly P.S. Oh and you may not ignore what you disagree with, but you have made it as clear as glass to me that you most definitely do not understand it, so maybe I **do** fit in here after all since that is how y’all love to look at me. 🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1113 "2013-03-13T02:18:08Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Well fighting with the ignorant is what I believe is what I have been doing with y’all. Is that close enough to what you are saying here? > Guess again. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > No and that is because it doesn’t really matter to me if I do fit in or not. I just respond to what interests me enough. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you two always!!! > Holly > P.S. Oh and you may not ignore what you disagree with, but you have made it as clear as glass to me that you most definitely do not understand it, so maybe I **do** fit in here after all since that is how y’all love to look at me. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Really, what I figured was that since we were fighting ignorance we are the agents of Satan or some such nonsense. But if you think you’re here to enlighten us, how do imagine simply spouting fundamentalist dogma is going to do that? You see, the only type of person who would believe that is someone who would be susceptible of being influenced in that way themselves. IOW, someone very, very, very simpleminded. So you wonder why we consider YOU simple minded? There’s your first clue. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1114 "2013-03-13T02:27:37Z")
^^^ All that I ever intend to do is share where it is that I stand on things. How I am looked at by everyone else in return is just that: your decision and for the record I don’t wonder why some people may label me a simple minded person. If that is how they want to look at me, that is **their** business, not mine. I do have a question for you though. Is a complicated life the kind of life that you want to live or wish on other people? If no, why such hard feelings for simple mindedness? Or are you just jealous that you may not be able to be one of them kinds of people? God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. There is a country song from several years that goes “I want to live the simple life.” 🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1115 "2013-03-13T02:33:27Z")
[6 New Personality Disorders Caused by the Internet | Cracked.com](http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=ce270d38103a630c3181db372a25a052&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D683252&v=1&libid=1363141885859&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cracked.com%2Farticle_17522_6-new-personality-disorders-caused-by-internet.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearchid%3D9281885&title=List%20of%20banned%20users%3F%20-%20Straight%20Dope%20Message%20Board&txt=6%20New%20Personality%20Disorders%20Caused%20by%20the%20Internet&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13631419292754) (link courtesy of **Moriah** via the “Banned Users” thread) Quoted from that link: 2.Low Cyber Self-Esteem (a.k.a. The Guy Who Everyone Hates but Who Never Leaves) There’s a place for everyone on the Internet to feel at home. When you can fill a message board with fans of The Wonder Years porn, there should be no such thing as an outcast. Yet, each forum, chat room or other online community seems to have a person or people who just don’t fit in. It’s not that they are necessarily horrible people, they’re just the square trying to fit into the triangle hole. They get ridiculed constantly. Now you may figure this is no different than the picked-on nerd in high school, but unlike that kid always getting squished into a locker, these people are free to leave the website at any time. But they never do. In Real Life it’s Called… Self-Abasement and/or Attention Seeking Behavior. Someone with the need for self-abasement feels that they should be perpetually punished for their wrongdoings. They’re like the albino that whipped himself in The Da Vinci Code, only instead of drawing blood they draw “Fuck you noobtard” comments. It’s either a subconscious way to feel like they’re paying back the world for their sins, or they’re just so out of self-esteem that they can’t muster the energy to defend themselves. If taken to an extreme, it can even turn into Online Erotic Humiliation where the abuse turns into sexual arousal. So the next time you tell someone to go fuck themselves, you might have just given them the material to do so. But maybe more common than that is good ol’ Attention Seeking Behavior, which every single person who’s ever spent just one evening with a child will be familiar with. The outcast, like the child, knows that hate is not the opposite of love, apathy is. All that negative attention is still attention, and the abuse is still several steps better than being ignored. So Why Does it Happen on the Internet? So we’ve established that when you say, in person, “Jimmy, go away, you’re a retard” that Jimmy is just happy that somebody used his name and acknowledged his existence. Even if the only reason you used his name was to tell him to go die in a fire. “Who’s a super fag? Jimmy’s a super fag, that’s right. Go Jimmy!” But when you type it on a message board, it’s that much better. This isn’t just attention, but attention that’s being broadcast around the globe via the World Wide Web. The “we hate Jimmy” thread on a popular forum might be read by thousands of people. If that many people are reading about him, he must matter (hell, think of all the TV personalities who have made a career out of being hated). The attention-seeker gets what he wants, and the self-abaser gets an erection big enough to actually interfere with the signal on his wireless keyboard. Read more: [6 New Personality Disorders Caused by the Internet | Cracked.com](http://www.cracked.com/article_17522_6-new-personality-disorders-caused-by-internet_p2.html#ixzz2NNpjUaXw) ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1116 "2013-03-13T02:34:33Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ All that I ever intend to do is share where it is that I stand on things. How I am looked at by everyone else in return is just that: your decision and for the record I don’t wonder why some people may label me a simple minded person. If that is how they want to look at me, that is **their** business, not mine. I do have a question for you though. Is a complicated life the kind of life that you want to live or wish on other people? If no, why such hard feelings for simple mindedness? Or are you just jealous that you may not be able to be one of them kinds of people? > God bless you always!!! > Holly > P.S. There is a country song from several years that goes “I want to live the simple life.” 🙂 🙂 🙂 Look sweetie, you need to make up your mind. Are you here to save us or not? You said you’ve been trying to fight ignorance all along, now you claim to be a conscientious objector who is just sharing her beliefs. It’s got to be one or the other. And if you’re not trying to save us, then all I have to say is . . . bad xtian, bad, bad!!! As far as a simple life goes, mine is probably as simple and uncomplicated as it can possibly get while still having a pulse but if I ever became as willfully ignorant as you are, I would almost certainly slit my own wrists just out of shame. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1117 "2013-03-13T02:54:52Z")
That was brilliant **Ambi** , thanks for the info ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1118 "2013-03-13T03:00:18Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > Look sweetie, you need to make up your mind. Are you here to save us or not? You said you’ve been trying to fight ignorance all along, now you claim to be a conscientious objector who is just sharing her beliefs. It’s got to be one or the other. And if you’re not trying to save us, then all I have to say is . . . bad xtian, bad, bad!!! > > As far as a simple life goes, mine is probably as simple and uncomplicated as it can possibly get while still having a pulse but if I ever became as willfully ignorant as you are, I would almost certainly slit my own wrists just out of shame. I don’t remember ever once saying that I am here to save anyone, because I actually **don’t** expect anyone to go by what it is that I stand for…but if anything that I say **does** make any sense to anyone, I give the credit that is due to the Lord for giving me the opportunity to say what apparently needs to be said. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. What you do with your wrists is all up to you and no one else. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1119 "2013-03-13T03:07:00Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > …but if anything that I say **does** make any sense to anyone… It doesn’t. We’ve been telling you this since you’ve been here. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1120 "2013-03-13T03:09:29Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I don’t remember ever once saying that I am here to save anyone, because I actually **don’t** expect anyone to go by what it is that I stand for…but if anything that I say **does** make any sense to anyone, I give the credit that is due to the Lord for giving me the opportunity to say what apparently needs to be said. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly > P.S. What you do with your wrists is all up to you and no one else. Well I have to say that’s disappointing, not to mention lazy - expecting god to do all of the work here, especially considering how much work there is to be done. But at least you admit you’re not up to the task. I guess that’s something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=57)