# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1121 "2013-03-13T03:14:03Z")
^^^ I never said that the Lord does all of the work. I believe that he has the opportunity for the work to take place happen and that doing the work with his help if his help is needed is all up to us. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@splatterpunk](#): > > It doesn’t. We’ve been telling you this since you’ve been here. Not all 145,626 of the rest of y’all who are registered to leave messages at this forum have said such a thing to me. You’ve given me your two cents and so now those who haven’t done such a thing yet can have a turn too if they want one. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you two always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1122 "2013-03-13T03:16:29Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I never said that the Lord does all of the work. I believe that he has the opportunity for the work to take place happen and that doing the work with his help if his help is needed is all up to us. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > Not all 145,627 of the rest of y’all who are registered to leave messages at this forum have said such a thing to me. > God bless you two always!!! > Holly And yet you won’t fight for our immortal souls. Like I said, disappointing and lazy. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1123 "2013-03-13T03:22:17Z")
^^^ Sadly a person can only do so much especially when its them versus someone who shows no sign of changing. ☹ ☹ ☹ God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. Thanks to several members of my family, if there is anything that I have learned in this life, it is that people can only be helped when **they** want to be. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1124 "2013-03-13T03:23:16Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Sadly a person can only do so much especially when its them versus someone who shows no sign of changing. ☹ ☹ ☹ > God bless you always!!! > Holly OMG, I know just how you feel!!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1125 "2013-03-13T03:26:49Z")
^^^ And y’all think that I don’t fit in. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1126 "2013-03-13T03:30:05Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ And y’all think that I don’t fit in. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly Well, you see it’s that you’re the opposite side of the coin. We fight against ignorance and you fight for it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1127 "2013-03-13T03:59:47Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Aren’t we all a “work in progress” in one way or another? Oh, you’re a real work, all right. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1128 "2013-03-13T04:11:20Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Aren’t we all a “work in progress” in one way or another? Hahaha…nope. Some of us stall and stagnate in perpetuity in early development. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1129 "2013-03-13T04:53:07Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That’s what’s known as a christian attitude. She’d do well to emulate it. I’ve noticed that the more someone pushes how much of a Christian they are, the less they act like one. > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > No matter how the rest of y’all look at me, I **don’t** go online to cause trouble… **anywhere**. Then why do you continue to do things that people have asked you not to do? Why is it that when those things are pointed out, you get childish, stamp your little foot and make pronouncements like “I don’t have to!”? > [@](#): > > What burns up so many of you people is the fact that I don’t hesitate to stand apart from y’all on certain things. Nope. Every one of us is an individual. You are simply rude. > [@](#): > > P.S. And if this Opalcat person that y’all are speaking of here is really not with us anymore, I pray that the Lord looks after their family and that the Lord is able to forgive them if they decided to throw away what he died for them to have. (bowing my head) You just couldn’t resist, could you? > [@](#): > > Thanks, but no thanks. Because of the three times that my mom was hit by another car driver in the year 2011 alone, she has been seeing someone and from what she has shared with me, going to someone does absolutely nothing. Going to someone can’t change what has already happened and going to someone is not going to make the road any safer either. Blink. The hell? Do you really think the point of therapy is to make the road safer? Or to change the past? Dayum ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1130 "2013-03-13T04:57:01Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Blink. > > The hell? Yeah, when you’re dealing with the special ed. kids, you just gotta let some shit slide. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1131 "2013-03-13T04:59:48Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I’ve noticed that the more someone pushes how much of a Christian they are, the less they act like one. > > Then why do you continue to do things that people have asked you not to do? Why is it that when those things are pointed out, you get childish, stamp your little foot and make pronouncements like “I don’t have to!”? > > Nope. Every one of us is an individual. You are simply rude. > > You just couldn’t resist, could you? > > Blink. > > The hell? > > Do you really think the point of therapy is to make the road safer? Or to change the past? > > Dayum I have never thought that therapy can do such a thing and because it can’t, how much of a help is it to anyone really? From what I can tell from an observers point of view, none. And no I could not resist. > [@deltasigma](#): > > Well, you see it’s that you’re the opposite side of the coin. We fight against ignorance and you fight for it. 😛 No I fight against ignorance and **you** fight for it. God bless you two always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1132 "2013-03-13T05:00:24Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > P.S. What you do with your wrists is all up to you and no one else. _Then quit trying to involve yourself and your magical sky fairy in it. What anyone does is not your business to judge._ > [@deltasigma](#): > > ``` > Yeah, when you're dealing with the special ed. kids, you just gotta let some shit slide. > > ``` I guess so - I’m certainly not going to be able to understand it for sure! ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1133 "2013-03-13T05:03:55Z")
^^^ **What I say or do is not your business to judge either.** And I don’t recall trying to involve myself in the process of someone slitting their wrists either. I am not the kind of person who is going to stand there and let someone get away with trying to kill themselves anyways. If they can’t think about the feelings of those that they are trying to leave behind, **I will**. > [@deltasigma](#): > > Yeah, when you’re dealing with the special ed. kids, you just gotta let some shit slide. 😃 Now you know why I have let certain things slide. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you two always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1134 "2013-03-13T05:05:37Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > No I fight against ignorance and **you** fight for it. > God bless you two always!!! > Holly I think we’ve established that to be a fundamentalist Christian requires you to be proud of your ignorance. We also established that you believe that knowledge and understanding are the way of the devil. So I’m afraid I’m not following your logic. Would it help if I defined “logic” for you? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1135 "2013-03-13T05:07:06Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ **What I say or do is not your business to judge either.** > Now you know why I have let certain things slide. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you two always!!! > Holly Oh dear me no. Please tell me what you really think Trolly. Don’t hold anything back to spare my feelings. I’ll feel slighted if you do. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1136 "2013-03-13T05:11:02Z")
^^^ I believe that I have already done all of that and if you are having trouble understanding what I share, I pray that you get the help that you need to get it all soon. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@deltasigma](#): > > I think we’ve established that to be a fundamentalist Christian requires you to be proud of your ignorance. We also established that you believe that knowledge and understanding are the way of the devil. So I’m afraid I’m not following your logic. > > Would it help if I defined “logic” for you? 😛 I already know what that means, but if you don’t, I’d be more than happy to tell you about it. All that you have to do is ask. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1137 "2013-03-13T05:13:25Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I believe that I have already done all of that and if you are having trouble understanding what I share, I pray that you get the help that you need to get it all soon. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > I already know what that means, but if you don’t, I’d be more than happy to tell you about it. All that you have to do is ask. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly Oh I see. We’re playing that children’s game where whatever I say you try to say back to me as an insult. So I guess that puts your maturity level at what, about a 4th grade level? Yes, I’m beginning to notice a pattern here. :D:D ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1138 "2013-03-13T05:25:47Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Oh, you’re a real work, all right. 😉 Well, she’s a piece of one, I guess. > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I have never thought that therapy can do such a thing and because it can’t, how much of a help is it to anyone really? This is likely the first time in my life I’ve ever used this term, but that’s a real gobsmack there. No, the point of therapy is not to change the past. It’s to help, actually help, someone who is in some kind of agony, despair, or other mental illness. And, no, intelligent people do not condemn other people for having a mental illness. It’s an illness, not Evil[sup]tm[/sup]. Therapy is designed to help the person cope. In that way, it’s a method to, one hopes, ensure a _future_ for the person. > [@](#): > > From what I can tell from an observers point of view, none. You can’t tell from that observer’s point of view because you are not, of course, a qualified observer. > [@](#): > > And no I could not resist. I’m sure your family and friends are so proud of you now. > [@](#): > > No I fight against ignorance and **you** fight for it. That would be _L_+1, where _L_ = _Latest tally of lies you have made_. > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ **What I say or do is not your business to judge either.** Ah, now we know why you do what you do: you’re convinced that you’re not condemned by the words you utter. My guess is you’re either one of those OSAS or pre-destination types. By the way, have you ever noticed that those who think only a few people are Saved always, without fail, believe they, no matter how they act, are among that throng? > [@](#): > > And I don’t recall trying to involve myself in the process of someone slitting their wrists either. Don’t recall anyone saying you were. But you sure have involved yourself in judging the person, now haven’t you? > [@](#): > > I am not the kind of person who is going to stand there and let someone get away with trying to kill themselves anyways. It’s not something they’re trying to “get away with” doing. It’s a symptom, an extreme symptom obviously, of a serious and actual _medical_ condition. > [@](#): > > If they can’t think about the feelings of those that they are trying to leave behind, You have absolutely no idea what the person was thinking about at a dire time in their life. You obviously understand exactly nothing about the issue. > [@](#): > > **I will**. Oh, yeah. We have seen how you think about their survivors. Tell me, if you can, how it’s supposed to help the survivors to inform them their loved one is burning in Hell? > [@](#): > > Now you know why I have let certain things slide. You’ve let a lot of stuff slide, lass. All of the stuff you’re letting slide is coming from you though. > [@](#): > > God bless you two always!!! For the majority of my life, I’ve heard Fundamentalists of one stripe or another telling me that, as a Mormon, I worship a different deity than Fundamentalists do. When I hear or see stuff like the tripe you just posted, I actually find myself hoping that they’re correct. My deity is a loving one. Your’s, apparently, isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1139 "2013-03-13T05:29:53Z")
^^^ You are never going to break me no matter what you throw at me and no matter how much it is that you decide to throw at me, but if you want to keep trying, go ahead. After all, it is your time to waste. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@deltasigma](#): > > Oh I see. We’re playing that children’s game where whatever I say you try to say back to me as an insult. So I guess that puts your maturity level at what, about a 4th grade level? > > Yes, I’m beginning to notice a pattern here. :D:D What do you think is going to happen when you make the first move? God bless you two always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1140 "2013-03-13T05:32:03Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ You are never going to break me no matter what you throw at me and no matter how it it is that you decide to throw at me. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > What do you think is going to happen when you make the first move? > God bless you two always!!! > Holly What makes you think I want to break you Trolly? Would you try to break your favorite doll or toy? As for the first move, you’ll need to tell me what game we’re playing first. You can’t seem to make up your mind. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=58)