# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1241 "2013-03-14T15:29:12Z")
I wonder if there’s a way to use the power of this thread for good… hmm… Okay, Nancarrow, it’s like this: you can start washing up that week old pile of dirty dishes. Or, you can start rereading this thread from the beginning. What’s it to be? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![living\_in\_hell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@living\_in\_hell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/living_in_hell)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1242 "2013-03-14T15:31:07Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > I wonder if there’s a way to use the power of this thread for good… hmm… > > Okay, Nancarrow, it’s like this: you can start washing up that week old pile of dirty dishes. Or, you can start rereading this thread from the beginning. What’s it to be? :mad: I can give you a Cliffs Notes version if you would like… ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1243 "2013-03-14T15:35:53Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > I wonder if there’s a way to use the power of this thread for good… hmm… > > Okay, Nancarrow, it’s like this: you can start washing up that week old pile of dirty dishes. Or, you can start rereading this thread from the beginning. What’s it to be? :mad: Hmmmm… dirty dishes would definitely be more stimulating and fulfilling. And if you want the sensation of rereading the thread at the same time, just smash a glass and jam the shards under your fingernails. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1244 "2013-03-14T15:43:13Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Jeez. What are you? Her therapist or something? Therapist? Dude, that’s hilarious you asked that. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1245 "2013-03-14T15:58:01Z")
Well, I was shooting for amusing but I’ll take hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1246 "2013-03-14T16:02:28Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > Hmmmm… dirty dishes would definitely be more stimulating and fulfilling. Many times when frustrated and disgusted and feeling like I’m accomplishing nothing, I will wash dishes. “There! The dishes were dirty and now they’re clean!” I suggest reading the thread first and then doing the dishes. ---
**Author:** ![living\_in\_hell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@living\_in\_hell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/living_in_hell)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1247 "2013-03-14T16:37:45Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Many times when frustrated and disgusted and feeling like I’m accomplishing nothing, I will wash dishes. “There! The dishes were dirty and now they’re clean!” > > I suggest reading the thread first and then doing the dishes. Have people been making pope jokes with you? I feel sorry for my friends name Frank… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1248 "2013-03-14T16:47:05Z")
> [@living\_in\_hell](#): > > Have people been making pope jokes with you? I feel sorry for my friends name Frank… 😉 Had I known they were looking for a Francis, I’d have gone to the conclave. ---
**Author:** ![living\_in\_hell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@living\_in\_hell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/living_in_hell)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1249 "2013-03-14T16:53:20Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Had I known they were looking for a Francis, I’d have gone to the conclave. I told a friend of mine that Italians do love their Frankys! Haha ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1250 "2013-03-14T17:00:33Z")
> [@digs](#): > > _James Otto Sweet Heart_, what does James Otto think of you? Well the fact that James said “I love you.” to me just before I went home when I last saw him, in my opinion, says a lot. And James said “I love you.” to me after the last hug that we gave each other. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@curlcoat](#): > > Oh yeah, more irony. You, who tell the left behind people of suicides that their loved one is in hell - I guess when you are thinking of their feelings, you are thinking how best to make them feel worse? > > The hell? “let someone get away with trying to kill themselves”? What does that mean? > > You fired first sweetie. If you think that I fired first by sharing what it is that I believe, the last time that I checked, I had a right to share my beliefs whether anyone likes what they are or not. The reason why we are still talking about this is the fact that the rest of y’all didn’t know how to ignore what I had to share. **If my message had just been ignored, we wouldn’t be where we are now.** Which brings me to this question here **Is this the kind of conversation that the rest of y’all wanted to have happen?** And I don’t mean to go out of my way to make other feel worse when I share what it is that I believe, but if I am asked what it is that I think, I am not going to lie to a person. And yes, I know that I was not asked here what it is that I believe happens to those who take their life, but here is a question for you from me since I am considerate enough to answer the ones that you have for me here: **Since when does a person need permission to share what it is that they believe?** To answer your second question, if I happen to see someone getting ready to end their life in anyway, I will do what I can to try and stop them. Wouldn’t you try to stop them or would #1 on your priority list be yourself? > [@Monty](#): > > Can someone else tell me if that paragraph makes sense, any sense whatsoever, to them? > > A person who’s despaired enough to commit suicide, from all evidence thus far in the last few thousand years of actually writing stuff down, isn’t bent on doing favors. They’re seeking escape from their despair. > > And the surviving family members can get help from licensed therapists or trained clergy. The very last thing they need is your inanities. That is not the kind of help that I was talking about. It was said that the person wasn’t able to find the job that they needed to give their family the financial help that was needed. Well now that the person is gone, that needed paycheck will never be in their picture. > [@raventhief](#): > > Holly, do you get all your ideas about God and Jesus from country music? (Look, I called you HOlly - I can respect your wishes, can you respect us and stop calling it a chat?) Anyway, this is a serious question, because you have dismissed Jesus’s actual words in the actual Bible (turn the other cheek) but give credence to a song about Hell by Trace Adkins. The NT wants people to love each other and not hurt each other, but when you’re told your words hurt, you howl that we don’t have the right to shut you down for saying what you believe. I get my ideas from different places, not just country music or at church. I good deal of what I stand for actually comes from what I see happen to other people when they do certain things. Oh and I never said that y’all have to call me by my real name. You can call me JOSH if you don’t want to write out my entire forum name. Oh and did you see my message about the meaning of that song from Trace? Its about what ended up happening to the 9/11 terrorists. > [@raventhief](#): > > Tried to add this bit but ran afoul of the editing limit- > > So I really am curious - does your view of “what’s right” mean you can and should hurt people? Hurting yourself is clearly wrong, but is it okay to hurt people unnecessarily? There are quite a few people on this board who have lost people to depression, including me, so when you take such a strident stand that our loved ones are burning eternally - well, it comes across as cruel. Well here is the thing. If someone asks me if I think that someone who took their life went to Heaven, I am not going to lie to them. I will tell them what it is that I believe. I will not mean to scare them, but I am not going to lie to them. Its like someone asking you if they think that their pants makes their back end look big. > [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > I turned on the country music station and I still don’t care for it. What songs did you hear? Do you remember any of the lyrics that were sung? > [@living\_in\_hell](#): > > She is the guest who steps over the pile of shoes at the door and smiles obliviously when you glare at her wearing shoes while everyone else is barefoot. When you ask her “would you like me to take your shoes and put them over here?” She says “no that’s ok I’ll keep them on!” I’ll take my shoes off, but I will leave my socks on because it hate when my feet are cold. God bless you six and James always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![living\_in\_hell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@living\_in\_hell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/living_in_hell)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1251 "2013-03-14T17:11:31Z")
Perfect. 🆒 Kleenex you and your nose and warm toes always! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1252 "2013-03-14T17:17:56Z")
^^^ What? What did I say that stands out in your opinion? God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1253 "2013-03-14T20:01:15Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Holly, do you get all your ideas about God and Jesus from country music? (Look, I called you HOlly - I can respect your wishes, can you respect us and stop calling it a chat?) Anyway, this is a serious question, because you have dismissed Jesus’s actual words in the actual Bible (turn the other cheek) but give credence to a song about Hell by Trace Adkins. The NT wants people to love each other and not hurt each other, but when you’re told your words hurt, you howl that we don’t have the right to shut you down for saying what you believe. You don’t really expect the sanctimonious twit to think it through logically, do you? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1254 "2013-03-14T20:16:57Z")
^^^ You make it sound like that person’s question hasn’t been answered. God bless you and them always!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Holly P.S. Check out the final message on page 25 of this chat which I forgot to add one more thing to so thank you for quoting that person’s message. What I forgot to add is this. It isn’t my fault that a certain beliefs can upset people. Sadly some things can not be candy coated. All that I can ask you is this: Would you rather someone just flat out lie to your face so that you are not upset in the end? ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1255 "2013-03-14T20:24:53Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > Well here is the thing. If someone asks me if I think that someone who took their life went to Heaven, I am not going to lie to them. I will tell them what it is that I believe. I will not mean to scare them, but I am not going to lie to them. Its like someone asking you if they think that their pants makes their back end look big. Ok, here’s the thing. Did anyone ask your opinion or did you just drop in and leave it lying on the floor like a cat with a dead mouse? Unsolicited opinions are like assholes. Sure, everyone has one but it is best to keep it to yourself unless you are in a group you know really well. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1256 "2013-03-14T21:30:19Z")
^^^ Like I said earlier, since when does a person need anyone’s permission to share what they believe in at a public message forum? God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1257 "2013-03-14T21:39:15Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Like I said earlier, since when does a person need anyone’s permission to share what they believe in at a public message forum? > God bless you always!!! > Holly You do realize that there is a difference between being able to do something and it being right to do something, right? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1258 "2013-03-14T22:00:47Z")
^^^ Sure, but since when is sharing what you believe in a wrong thing to do? It wasn’t like I was sharing this kind of belief at a funeral for someone who took their life which I would never do anyway…until I was asked by someone what it is that I believe. God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![living\_in\_hell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3d9bf3/32.png) [@living\_in\_hell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/living_in_hell)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1259 "2013-03-14T22:48:36Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Ok, here’s the thing. Did anyone ask your opinion or did you just drop in and leave it lying on the floor like a cat with a dead mouse? Unsolicited opinions are like assholes. Sure, everyone has one but it is best to keep it to yourself unless you are in a group you know really well. Yah. I hate when people do that too. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1260 "2013-03-14T23:20:30Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > She’s not going to change her MO or back off, and **she’s too savvy to do something outright ban-worthy.** I never did address this. No matter how you meant this, I am going to take it as a compliment. Thank you. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! Holly [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=64)