# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1301 "2013-03-15T10:25:19Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Or maybe you don’t have to love it. No, it’s the law now. People who don’t love it are going to _jail_. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1302 "2013-03-15T13:36:05Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Obviously you do not know him well enough to know that he wants us to take his word to the people especially to those who don’t even know who he is. People like you who don’t do such a thing are those that he most likely shakes his head at and probably more than you realize. After all, the best way for evil to triumph is for good to stand there and not do a thing. > I believe that Jesus loves **everyone** …including those like yourself. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you two always!!! > Holly “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today Is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” Your brand of Christianity is what drives people away from God and Jesus. You’re doing the devil’s work for him. I hope you’re proud of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1303 "2013-03-15T14:46:02Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ Do you see me named as the person who got this chat started? No. Another person did and since they named it after me, it was only fair that make at least one appearance in it, but once I showed up, everyone started writing to me. Its as if I have all of a suddenly become a celebrity and y’all are my “fans”. Well where I come from, you don’t cold shoulder your fans. You give them what they want when they ask for it as best as you can. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly Just requoting this for anyone who missed it the first time 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1304 "2013-03-15T15:03:23Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > Your brand of Christianity is what drives people away from God and Jesus. You’re doing the devil’s work for him. I hope you’re proud of yourself. Amen, sister. I’ve never seen another single poster who’s managed to piss off both the atheists and the religious to this degree. I’m a practicing Roman Catholic and deeply faithful (I don’t like the moribund, misogynistic, corrupt organization itself or agree with a lot of their views but that’s a whole 'nother thread). I’m lucky enough to have had a lot of schooling in both the sciences and religion. Especially lucky to have had religion teachers who encouraged me to read and think about the Bible, to put the events in historical context, to find my own faith rather than just drone out the prayers mindlessly. I have absolutely zilcho problems with receiving blessings when I think they’re sincere. The mindless bleating of hollow platitudes devoid of insight, compassion, or love (Jesus’ greatest commandment FFS) grates on me. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1305 "2013-03-15T15:05:53Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today > Is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips > Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. > That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” > > Your brand of Christianity is what drives people away from God and Jesus. You’re doing the devil’s work for him. I hope you’re proud of yourself. But is anyone here equating her schtick with actual “faith”? Anyone who thinks she has anything to do with historic Christianity, or the beliefs of Jesus, needs to do some homework. (it’s easy homework, like read one thing Jesus said, and ask yourself ‘Who sounds crazy here? Him… or her?’) If I thought anyone was taking her seriously, I’d be apologizing for Real Christians (over and over, and I might have to make everyone Mocha Brownies). Seriously, is anybody thinking “Golly, this must be what a Christian is like. I’m going to become a Zoroastrian monk instead.”? I’d be driving past churches with a grenade launcher if I thought they believed this crap. _eta: JOSH, don’t bother replying to me. I just checked in for a minute, then I’m back to real life. Now… if I could just click that little ‘x’ and be done with this thread … Jesus and James, give me strength!_ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1306 "2013-03-15T15:12:10Z")
[QUOTE=digs;16100562\*\*] Seriously, is anybody thinking “Golly, this must be what a Christian is like.\*\* I’m going to become a Zoroastrian monk instead.”? I’d be driving past churches with a grenade launcher if I thought they believed this crap. [/QUOTE] Since there’s so many just like her running around, that’s exactly what people think. And they’d be right. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1307 "2013-03-15T15:55:55Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Since there’s so many just like her running around, that’s exactly what people think. And they’d be right. Exactly. It’s a pandemic of willful, prideful, ignorance and stupidity that is synonymous with fundamentalist Xtianity. How else do you justify teaching Creationism in schools for example or any of the other myriad absurdities that come with a literal reading of the bible? ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1308 "2013-03-15T16:15:23Z")
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1309 "2013-03-15T16:26:10Z")
> [@Ms\_Boods](#): > > Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/A2-J_2Rqxd0/hqdefault.jpg "Morality - Solved") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2-J_2Rqxd0) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1310 "2013-03-15T19:29:38Z")
> [@digs](#): > > If I thought anyone was taking her seriously, I’d be apologizing for Real Christians (over and over, and I might have to make everyone Mocha Brownies). \*[/SIZE] I’d become anything you wanted if you’d send me mocha brownies… ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1311 "2013-03-15T20:10:31Z")
I make brownies at work! For pay! Now, I don’t have a specifically Mocha Brownie but it can’t be too hard to whip out. Just come to Kansas and I’ll make some! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1312 "2013-03-15T20:13:51Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Just come to Kansas and I’ll make some! Damn. There’s _always_ a catch. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1313 "2013-03-15T20:30:51Z")
\*\*Baker \*\*is always teasing people with pastries ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1314 "2013-03-15T20:32:02Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > I make brownies at work! For pay! Now, I don’t have a specifically Mocha Brownie but it can’t be too hard to whip out. > > Just come to Kansas and I’ll make some! IIRC, I’m only about an hour away from you… ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1315 "2013-03-15T21:59:46Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > IIRC, I’m only about an hour away from you… We could have a two person Dopefest! Anyone who wants brownies come on down! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1316 "2013-03-15T22:50:49Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > Everyone who doesn’t think that his name should be where its been for so long, like on our money for example, the pledge of allegiance for another. So you have no respect for freedom of religion? > [@](#): > > Yes it is. I have been online for almost ten years now and I have seen plenty of trolls. What you consider to be trolls. There is a difference. > [@](#): > > Like I’ve said I don’t know how many times so far, the ignore feature is here for you to use if you hate what comes from me enough. And like I’ve said I don’t know how many times so far, that isn’t the subject at hand. This is merely how you duck away from addressing your lack of social skills and compassion. > [@](#): > > I chose my feelings for James just like everyone else chooses the feelings that they have too. Then either your feelings for him are fake or you truly do not know what the word means. > [@](#): > > I go where I happen to find interesting chats to leave my two cents in and some of them chats just happen to be here, thank you very much. So it doesn’t bother you that you have created serious animus towards your favorite celebrities? > [@](#): > > The rest of y’all here don’t exactly act like a saint here either, but do you see me jumping on you for it? If I do it is because y’all decided to jump on me first. From now on, maybe y’all should remember the saying that goes like this: “Do unto others what you would want done to you.” You’d do well to practice that one yourself, because no one jumped on you first. That is why I said you act like a bitch, you get treated like a bitch. > [@](#): > > Actually saying that does share something about me. It shows that I am not afraid to stand for the Lord. No, the only thing is might “share” about you is that you insist that everyone know that you are praying to the mythical sky fairy _every time you post_. Even if that wasn’t obnoxious in itself, repeating it every single time is. > [@](#): > > And if you think that I am shoving God down the throats of the rest of y’all, once again, the ignore feature is here if you hate what comes from me enough. Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1317 "2013-03-15T22:52:03Z")
^^^ Y’all made the first move by jumping on me when you didn’t like the belief that I have that I decided to share here. You do realize that this is a “Get what you give.” kind of world that we live in right? > [@living\_in\_hell](#): > > Everyone? Everyone. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@kambuckta](#): > > Oh, the arrogance, it burns. And the irony too, can’t forget the irony. You do realise that through your moronic and meaningless regurges you have singlehandedly managed to guarantee that at least (3000? wild guess) people will either never or never again set foot into a church? Way to go!! If there was a God, I’m sure he’d be :smack:ing himself as to how you could be so dumb as to MISS THE POINT. Sadly some don’t want to hear the truth when it doesn’t mirror the way that they want to do things. > [@April\_R](#): > > “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today > Is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips > Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. > That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.” > > Your brand of Christianity is what drives people away from God and Jesus. You’re doing the devil’s work for him. I hope you’re proud of yourself. I’ve heard it said that idle hands are the Devil’s handy work. When was the last time that you put yours to work? > [@Ms\_Boods](#): > > Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb. When evil triumphs it is because good is too scared to face it. God bless you five always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1318 "2013-03-15T22:57:03Z")
> [@digs](#): > > But is anyone here equating her schtick with actual “faith”? Anyone who thinks she has anything to do with historic Christianity, or the beliefs of Jesus, needs to do some homework. > (it’s easy homework, like read one thing Jesus said, and ask yourself ‘Who sounds crazy here? Him… or her?’) > > If I thought anyone was taking her seriously, I’d be apologizing for Real Christians (over and over, and I might have to make everyone Mocha Brownies). Seriously, is anybody thinking “Golly, this must be what a Christian is like. I’m going to become a Zoroastrian monk instead.”? I’d be driving past churches with a grenade launcher if I thought they believed this crap. I think it is faith, in the sense that she really believes all this bullshit, just as all the other non-christian Christians think what they believe is faith. > [@Baker](#): > > I make brownies at work! For pay! Now, I don’t have a specifically Mocha Brownie but it can’t be too hard to whip out. > > Just come to Kansas and I’ll make some! I’m currently in Tulsa - how far do I have to drive for a brownie?? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1319 "2013-03-15T23:22:16Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I’m currently in Tulsa - how far do I have to drive for a brownie?? 😃 How far is it from Tulsa to Topeka? I give the recipe, but that wouldn’t be the same as coming here, now would it? The following recipe is for a pan 12X18 inches.. They aren’t really thick, but oh so nummy. The numbers in red are for a smaller 13X9 inch pan. 17.5(9.5)ounces butter(496 g)(269 g) 24.85(13.5) ounces sugar(704 g)(382 g) 1-1/3 cup cocoa powder(3/4 cup) 8(4)eggs 19.25(10.4) ounces flour(544 g)(295 g) 1-1/8(5/8) cups chopped nuts(optional) Cream butter and sugar together until smooth. Stir in eggs until smooth. Mix together the cocoa powder and flour, then stir into the sugar mix. Smooth into a greased pan and bake at 350 degrees Fahrenheit(188 degrees Celsius) for twenty minutes. Be careful not to over bake. If you think they need it bake for three or four extra minutes, but keep an eye on them. You can ice the brownies when cooled, or do as my mother did, and sift powdered sugar over them. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1320 "2013-03-15T23:24:57Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > snip…he wants us to take his word to the people\*\* especially to those who don’t even know who he is. \*\* > > Holly Bolding mine. Really? Do you think that _anyone_ on this board, hell, anyone on the entire web, hasn’t already heard of your god or knows about the bible? The ignorance of you position is staggering. Your arrogance that you are in any way a good or useful ambassador for your faith must surely be insulting to other Christians. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=65) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=67)