# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1581 "2013-03-19T02:25:51Z")
^^^ I have and I don’t believe that the Lord placed me on this planet so that you people could have someone to walk all over and no **I am not walking all over anyone when I share my beliefs.** People are just trying to make themselves look like the victim when they try to make another person look bad for sharing what it is that they believe in. God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1582 "2013-03-19T02:28:30Z")
4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. Is hurting other people “kind”? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1583 "2013-03-19T02:29:41Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Your own scripture demands pretty much the opposite. Instead of saying they may not respect me so i shouldnt respect them, it pretty clearly lays out that you should take their feelings into consideration because that’s what’s right. > > Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men > Again, have you actually read the Bible? Earlier in the thread, she was quoted several passages on proper Christian behavior and she declared her intent to ignore such instructions. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1584 "2013-03-19T02:30:16Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. > > Is hurting other people “kind”? I believe that the Lord doesn’t forgive people until they ask him to and so I don’t forgive people until they ask me to. Take Ugly Ripe Tomato for example. They apologized in this chat earlier and so I forgave them. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you and them always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1585 "2013-03-19T02:33:03Z")
4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? God may only forgive those who come on bended knee- the Bible specifically tells Christians not to put themselves in the place of God. Helly, are you GOD? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1586 "2013-03-19T02:36:03Z")
^^^ I am not God, but God does not forgive until people ask him to and so I don’t forgive anyone until they ask me to. God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![EMCEE\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b5ac83/32.png) [@EMCEE\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EMCEE_98)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1587 "2013-03-19T02:36:34Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I am not God, but God does not forgive until people ask him to and so I don’t forgive anyone until they ask me to. > God bless you always!!! > Holly So you think you are on par with God? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1588 "2013-03-19T02:36:38Z")
Even though the Bible specifically instructs you otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1589 "2013-03-19T02:38:43Z")
^^^ If a person forgives before being asked, others will only continue to do the bad that they do because they then will think that it is okay to continue doing it and I don’t believe that is how the Lord does things and if he doesn’t do things that way, why should I or anyone else? God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1590 "2013-03-19T02:39:44Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > I believe that the Lord doesn’t forgive people until they ask him to and so I don’t forgive people until they ask me to. Take Ugly Ripe Tomato for example. They apologized in this chat earlier and so I forgave them. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you and them always!!! > Holly And just scrolling back a bit - what does kindness have to do with whether God forgives someone? You had an opportunity to be kind and not declare suicides are burning in eternal torment. For you - was the “kind” choice making a declaration that hurts others? ---
**Author:** ![EMCEE\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b5ac83/32.png) [@EMCEE\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EMCEE_98)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1591 "2013-03-19T02:40:17Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ If a person forgives before being asked, others will only continue to do the bad that they do because they then will think that it is okay to continue doing it. > God bless you always!!! > Holly Seriously? Have you ever used anything but your own made-up, convoluted logic? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1592 "2013-03-19T02:43:03Z")
^^^ That is not made up. If you automatically forgive a person, they will only continue to do the bad that they are guilty of because they will then think that it is okay to do it. > [@raventhief](#): > > And just scrolling back a bit - what does kindness have to do with whether God forgives someone? You had an opportunity to be kind and not declare suicides are burning in eternal torment. For you - was the “kind” choice making a declaration that hurts others? I am not going back on what it is that I believe no matter what is thrown at me. God bless you always!!! Holly P.S. **And the more that I am harassed about all of this, the more stubborn about it that I will only grow to be.** ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1593 "2013-03-19T02:43:33Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ If a person forgives before being asked, others will only continue to do the bad that they do because they then will think that it is okay to continue doing it and I don’t believe that is how the Lord does things and if he doesn’t do things that way, why should I or anyone else? > God bless you always!!! > Holly A bit tangential but; have you ever had an orgasm? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1594 "2013-03-19T02:45:19Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > A bit tangential but; have you ever had an orgasm? Probably only when James sings. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1595 "2013-03-19T02:45:27Z")
11 “But my people did not listen to my voice; Israel would not submit to me. 12 So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts, to follow their own counsels. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1596 "2013-03-19T02:47:05Z")
^^^ I still have yet to hear the Lord tell me that I am doing things all wrong and he knows me a whole lot better than y’all ever will. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > [@Ambivalid](#): > > A bit tangential but; have you ever had an orgasm? Why are you wanting to know? God bless you two always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![EMCEE\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b5ac83/32.png) [@EMCEE\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EMCEE_98)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1597 "2013-03-19T02:55:34Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I still have yet to hear the Lord tell me that I am doing things all wrong and he knows me a whole lot better than y’all ever will. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > Why are you wanting to know? > God bless you two always!!! > Holly Has the Lord ever spoken to you directly? I doubt he has, because if he did, he’d say, “Uhm, you are doing it wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1598 "2013-03-19T02:56:50Z")
^^^ No. God bless you always!!! Holly ---
**Author:** ![Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/43a26b/32.png) [@Pine\_Fresh\_Scent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pine_Fresh_Scent)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1599 "2013-03-19T03:02:28Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > ^^^ I have and I don’t believe that the Lord placed me on this planet so that you people could have someone to walk all over and no **I am not walking all over anyone when I share my beliefs.** People are just trying to make themselves look like the victim when they try to make another person look bad for sharing what it is that they believe in. > God bless you always!!! > Holly If we were only interested in victimizing everyone who shared their beliefs here, the Pit would be the only forum on the Dope. No, what you said was wrong and in fact (1500+ post thread) it walked over many others’ feelings re: suicide. It was a bad thing to do, just bad. How can you not see that? Once you post your words, you cannot control their results. Again, how are you missing this? You weren’t placed on this world to be walked over, but neither should you use your circumstances to justify victimizing others by “keeping it real”. Not to get too hysterical, but you did in some way victimize others with your words. You fucked up, we all do. Why can’t you accept this and move on? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1600 "2013-03-19T03:02:32Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > Why are you wanting to know? Because making it to 30+years and not ever experiencing the simple joy and pleasure that orgasm can bring may shed _some_ light on your bizarre fixation on everything LORD/OTTO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=81)