# James Otto Sweet Heart and Damning Suicides to Hell **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 19, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764 "2013-02-19T03:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1701 "2013-03-19T23:34:02Z")
Just so we’re clear, the “eye for an eye” bit was actually part of the Code of Hammurabi, and predates the Big J by 1700 years. What’s in the Gospels (and I’m going by memory here because I don’t feel like hunting out my bible to look it up) was Jesus saying, if part of you tempts you to sin, get rid of it because it’s better to struggle along with one eye/ one hand than to spend all eternity in torment for your sins. It’s a metaphor for having discipline and self-control: acknowledge your faults and do what you can to overcome them and you’ll reap the benefits. It’s part of the Ash Wednesday gospel, right around the part where Jesus says, when you pray, don’t make a big freaking public deal out of it; do it in private. The only one who needs to hear your prayers is God, who will hear you, but he thinks those who weep and wail and make a big honking deal out of it are hypocrites who will get what is coming to them. Trust me, had\*\* you\*\* not expressed **your** views on suicide (which you are entitled to have!) in a cold, tactless manner in a thread devoted to the memory of a troubled young woman who took her own life, this thread would not have happened. Had\*\* you\*\* acknowledged in any way, shape, or form that **you** understood why people were upset, that **your** post that started all this (the post **YOU** made in the memorial thread is what started this, not every other member of the SDMB by not thinking “Goshums, that Holly sure is wise and I’m wrong to be upset! My bad!”) this thread would not have gone on for as long as it has. When it was bumped, \*\*you **had the option to think, “phooey on them, I’m right and I don’t have to listen to what they say because I’m secure in my faith!” and you didn’t. \*\* YOu** chose to come back to it. **You** reap what \*\*you \*\*sow. > [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I was trying to make this about cooking, but the less attention she got the shriller she became and spoiled everything. ☹ > > But you guys are awesome and definitely kum ba yah worthy. _Kum ba yah, my lord… I like cheese…_ ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1702 "2013-03-19T23:34:40Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Do you need special pots? I’ve been intrigued by induction cooking. Water boils very fast, yes? Yes, you need ferrous pots which I think includes stainless steel. I’ve been using mine for spaghetti and linguini lately and it boils about 5-6 quarts of cold water in about 35-40 minutes. And this is just one of those single “burner” plug-in models since the built-in cooktop I have is an ancient electric model that I don’t use anymore. edit: however I think virtually all induction cooktops have a circuit that will test a pot for you so you never have to guess if it will work - the unit will let you know. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1703 "2013-03-19T23:37:31Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I don’t cook very often, but when I do, it’s on an induction cooktop. Direct flame-based cooking is just sooo primitive. ☹ Sorry, if it means giving up my trusty Weber grill I’m afraid I’m going to have to quit flirting with you, spirochaetes or no. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1704 "2013-03-19T23:37:37Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > Just so we’re clear, the “eye for an eye” bit was actually part of the Code of Hammurabi, and predates the Big J by 1700 years. > > What’s in the Gospels (and I’m going by memory here because I don’t feel like hunting out my bible to look it up) was Jesus saying, if part of you tempts you to sin, get rid of it because it’s better to struggle along with one eye/ one hand than to spend all eternity in torment for your sins. It’s a metaphor for having discipline and self-control: acknowledge your faults and do what you can to overcome them and you’ll reap the benefits. > > It’s part of the Ash Wednesday gospel, right around the part where Jesus says, when you pray, don’t make a big freaking public deal out of it; do it in private. The only one who needs to hear your prayers is God, who will hear you, but he thinks those who weep and wail and make a big honking deal out of it are hypocrites who will get what is coming to them. > > Trust me, had you not expressed your views on suicide (which you are entitled to have!) in a cold, tactless manner in a thread devoted to the memory of a troubled young woman who took her own life, this thread would not have happened. > > Had you acknowledged in any way, shape, or form that you understood why people were upset, that **your** post that started all this (the post **YOU** made in the memorial thread is what started this, not every other member of the SDMB by not thinking “Goshums, that Holly sure is wise and I’m wrong to be upset! My bad!”) this thread would not have gone on for as long as it has. > > When it was bumped, you had the option to think, “phooey on them, I’m right and I don’t have to listen to what they say because I’m secure in my faith!” and you didn’t. \*\* YOu\*\* chose to come back to it. > > **You** reap what \*\*you \*\*sow. \* **You people started this chat, not me, and so now, you people are reaping what it is that you people decided to sow. 🙂 🙂 🙂 God bless you always!!! Holly** ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1705 "2013-03-19T23:42:22Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > Yes, you need ferrous pots which I think includes stainless steel. I’ve been using mine for spaghetti and linguini lately and it boils about 5-6 quarts of cold water in about 35-40 minutes. And this is just one of those single “burner” plug-in models since the built-in cooktop I have is an ancient electric model that I don’t use anymore. > > edit: however I think virtually all induction cooktops have a circuit that will test a pot for you so you never have to guess if it will work - the unit will let you know. Do you actually mean 35-40 minutes or seconds? I’d love to get one of the single burner units. I cook mostly on Hard anodized steel (Calphalon), so it’s probably cool. Soooo tempted! And URT: this beauty’s for you: [Volvox, one of the seven wonders of the micro-world.](http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artdec03/volvox.html) ETA: Oh my, I think there’s a gnat buzzing around my ear. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1706 "2013-03-19T23:43:29Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > \*\*You people started this chat, not me, and so now, you people are reaping what it is that you people decided to sow. Because of a comment you made which people found inappropriate and hurtful, and refuse to accept the possibility that others might see it as such. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1707 "2013-03-19T23:44:49Z")
Does anyone have any good lamb recipes? My mom will be making that soon and I’d rather give her something decent to go by then to leave her to her own devices… which would mean lots of garlic and other mystery ingredients. A little help please? ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1708 "2013-03-19T23:49:19Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > **You people started this chat, not me, and so now, you people are reaping what it is that you people decided to sow. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly** I believe they sowed spiritual fruits, but they seem to be reaping a religious nut. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1709 "2013-03-19T23:49:25Z")
My sister does really good lamb. It has a rub of basil, rosemary, garlic, fennell, lemon zest,salt, pepper, and enough olive oil to make a paste. She cuts little slits in the meat and sticks whole garlic cloves in there to flavor the meat while it roasts and throws in new potatoes and quartered fennell bulbs so they can roast in all the lamby goodness. It’s awesome. I wish I could do lamb for Easter but my other fussy-ass sister won’t eat it ☹ ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1710 "2013-03-19T23:51:24Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > ☹ > > Sorry, if it means giving up my trusty Weber grill I’m afraid I’m going to have to quit flirting with you, spirochaetes or no. I didn’t mean to imply that there isn’t a time to be primitive. 🙂 If however you’re using your Weber grill indoors . . . . :dubious: 😉 > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > **You people started this chat, not me, and so now, you people are reaping what it is that you people decided to sow. 🙂 🙂 🙂 > God bless you always!!! > Holly** You’ve changed your mantra from the crack shit to this? You should go back to the other one, it was catchier, plus you say this as if it’s some sort of threat which is too absurd to even be amusing. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1711 "2013-03-19T23:54:02Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > Because of a comment you made which people found inappropriate and hurtful, and refuse to accept the possibility that others might see it as such. I believe she knew it was hurtful and it was fully intended to cause pain to what she perceived as the morally inferior. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1712 "2013-03-19T23:55:06Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I didn’t mean to imply that there isn’t a time to be primitive. 🙂 If however you’re using your Weber grill indoors . . . . :dubious: 😉 Well, you know, when it’s July and 95 degrees out, but you want real grilled hamburgers, it just makes sense to set up the grill in the air-conditioned living room, doesn’t it? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1713 "2013-03-19T23:55:24Z")
**Delta Sigma** , could you PM me, please? I wanted to get in touch with you privately, but you don’t have that option available. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1714 "2013-03-19T23:56:28Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > **deltasigma** , could you PM me, please? I wanted to get in touch with you privately, but you don’t have that option available. Thanks! Sorry, I didn’t mean to mangle your name. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1715 "2013-03-20T00:03:10Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Do you actually mean 35-40 minutes or seconds? > > I’d love to get one of the single burner units. I cook mostly on Hard anodized steel (Calphalon), so it’s probably cool. Soooo tempted! > > And URT: this beauty’s for you: [Volvox, one of the seven wonders of the micro-world.](http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/mag/artdec03/volvox.html) > ETA: Oh my, I think there’s a gnat buzzing around my ear. Thanks. Almost missed this. Minutes, definitely. One could only wish it were seconds. But that would require more than a 120v outlet I’m sure. when/if I ever get around to redoing my kitchen, I’ll have an induction range installed. Thanks for the link. I skimmed through it and it looks like a pretty interesting organism. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1716 "2013-03-20T00:04:21Z")
> [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > **I crack for no one no matter what y’all throw at me.** > > **That especially goes for you, Curly.** Why is that? > [@Gyrate](#): > > So to sum up: > > JOSH is willing to be nasty and hurtful under the guise of being “honest”. > > She thinks everything is about her and what she wants. > > She is proud of her ignorance, disregard for others and lack of consideration for the basic rules of polite social intercourse, and considers any attempts to point out why these are bad things as trying to “make her crack”. > > She will select the tiniest fragments of messages that she feels support her even when the rest of those messages, and all the messages around her, convey a far different message. > > She claims she is proven right because God hasn’t personally told her that she’s doing wrong, and doesn’t seem to think that this (not to put too fine a point on it) is a literally insane view to seriously hold. > > And that’s not even getting into the questionable Scriptural interpretations. > > At this point I’m kind of hoping she’s a troll, because otherwise she’s a sociopath of the sort who one day will cheerfully poison the punch at the high school dance because she wants to and anyway God didn’t tell her not to. The answer to all of that? Yes. > [@faithfool](#): > > As the OP of this thread, I’m once more asking for the saner members of this board (read: anyone but the pittee) to let this one go I don’t get it. Why do you care if the thread goes on and on? > [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](#): > > Y’all started this chat a whole month ago…with the intention of getting a certain something out of me. No, dingle brain, this thread was started to pit you, to highlight how cruel and unfeeling you are to go into a memorial thread and say that the deceased is now in hell. Anything beyond that is just fun and games for us - something to do when we are bored. While we’ve been doing that, we’ve fond out that you don’t really know diddly about the Bible, you lie a lot, you are an ego maniac and you are a bitch. Bitch. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1717 "2013-03-20T00:08:06Z")
Well, as much as I’ve enjoyed some of the conversation, I’m going to check out the other end of the swimming pool. So, we need to find a new home to share good recipes, as I’m done here! Toodles! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1718 "2013-03-20T00:22:42Z")
> [@Anonymous User](#): > > I will +1 **faithfool**. It’s about time this thread dies. It did at one point, but then… …you posted your message. Crazy how that works, huh? I realize that I have just done the same thing, but I’m not calling for this thread (chat) to be closed. Holly, give 'em h-e-double-hockey sticks!!! ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1719 "2013-03-20T00:22:53Z")
**curlcoat** , please check your PMs. And by extension, if there’s any other Dopers in this thread that I’ve somehow missed PMing that is still participating, could you please contact me? Thanks so very much! ---
**Author:** ![James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac8455/32.png) [@James\_Otto\_Sweet\_Heart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/James_Otto_Sweet_Heart)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2013, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764/1720 "2013-03-20T00:27:37Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > Because of a comment you made which people found inappropriate and hurtful, and refuse to accept the possibility that others might see it as such. **Oh well. It was a “comment” as you call it that I had the right to share no matter who doesn’t like what it is that I have a right to say.** > [@deltasigma](#): > > You’ve changed your mantra from the crack shit to this? You should go back to the other one, it was catchier, plus you say this as if it’s some sort of threat which is too absurd to even be amusing. **I am just pointed out what is. If y’all can’t be the one to finish a chat, don’t get one started then.** > [@curlcoat](#): > > Why is that? > > No, dingle brain, this thread was started to pit you, to highlight how cruel and unfeeling you are to go into a memorial thread and say that the deceased is now in hell. Anything beyond that is just fun and games for us - something to do when we are bored. While we’ve been doing that, we’ve fond out that you don’t really know diddly about the Bible, you lie a lot, you are an ego maniac and you are a bitch. > > Bitch. **No matter what the intention was in starting this chat,** **if y’all weren’t willing to deal with what has been going on in it now, y’all never should have started it in the first place.** **Curly.** 🙂 🙂 🙂 **God bless you three always!!! Holly** **P.S. If you people think that I should have expected what was thrown at me for sharing my belief, you people should have expected what was thrown at you by starting this chat.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-otto-sweet-heart-and-damning-suicides-to-hell/650764.md?page=87)