# James Ramseur, one of Bernard Goetz's shooting victims, is dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 23, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183 "2011-12-23T14:46:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/1 "2011-12-23T14:46:26Z")
[Story here](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/james-ramseur-victim-1984-bernie-goetz-subway-shooting-found-dead-bronx-hotel-article-1.995834?localLinksEnabled=false) In case you don’t remember, Ramseur and a group of his friends were shot by Goetz after asking him nicely for $5:rolleyes: Ramseur later served 25 years for raping a pegnant woman with a gun. He died exactly 47 years to the day after he was shot, apparently of an accidental overdose or suicide. One person I am not glad to see die. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/2 "2011-12-23T14:55:39Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > He died exactly 47 years to the day after he was shot, apparently of an accidental overdose or suicide. Neat trick, considering he was 45 years old when he died. What, did Goetz pot a couple of figments-of-prospective-daddies’-imaginations, too? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/3 "2011-12-23T14:56:58Z")
Urgggggg. 27 years! ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/4 "2011-12-23T15:11:28Z")
Goetz should have aimed better. ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/5 "2011-12-23T15:47:05Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > One person I am not glad to see die. Did you mean this, or are you on cold medicine? Cuz I’m on cold medicine too. ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/6 "2011-12-23T15:49:27Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > Did you mean this, or are you on cold medicine? Cuz I’m on cold medicine too. Between that and the timeline typo I think **Annie** has been nipping at the Xmas sauce a little early 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/7 "2011-12-23T16:02:36Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Goetz should have aimed better. [Gun control is hitting your target.](http://www.cafepress.com/ybiaw.12726873) There are some people who serve this world best by leaving it. Mr. Ramseur is clearly one of those individuals, and we should appreciate his belated exit. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/8 "2011-12-23T16:28:08Z")
It may take awhile but whatever Bernhard wants… ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/9 "2011-12-23T16:42:02Z")
NM: Wasn’t the guy I was thinking of… ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/10 "2011-12-23T16:54:20Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > It may take awhile but whatever Bernhard wants… \ ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/11 "2011-12-23T18:09:25Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > Did you mean this, or are you on cold medicine? Cuz I’m on cold medicine too. I’m on absolutely nothing, but I still fucked up my OP.Ramseur mugged Goetz 27 years ago. Goetz shot him. He was a thug and career criminal, and the world is better off without him. There. I posted it correctly. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@The\_Dord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Dord)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/12 "2011-12-23T20:27:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Goetz should have aimed better. Well according to Annie, he was a 2 year old. You know how piss-poor shots 2 year olds are! :smack: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/13 "2011-12-24T04:13:36Z")
47 years? Wow, I’m remembering things that happened before I was born! I must be Merlin! ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/14 "2011-12-24T04:28:16Z")
> [@The\_Dord](#): > > Well according to Annie, he was a 2 year old. > > You know how piss-poor shots 2 year olds are! :smack: 😃 If I’m reading the OP correctly, Goetz would have in fact been about 17. This may sound unimpressive — but recall that his target was a human entity two years prior to its conception! That the bullet connected at all is quite a feat. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/15 "2011-12-24T06:13:06Z")
He will not be missed. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/16 "2011-12-24T06:46:53Z")
The window for making “he shot a negative-two-year-old person!” jokes has now closed. Repeat, the window has closed. I thank you for your efforts in bringing humor to the Dope. We’ll be here all week; try the veal. Anyway, on topic, yeah. Good riddance to bad rubbish. ---
**Author:** ![Sudden\_Kestrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Sudden\_Kestrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sudden_Kestrel)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/17 "2011-12-24T08:35:24Z")
It’s always nice when a cell opens up at Christmas time. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/18 "2011-12-24T13:36:49Z")
I noticed one of the articles about this mention Goetz now runs a business called Vigalante Electronics 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bloodless\_Turnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Bloodless\_Turnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bloodless_Turnip)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/19 "2011-12-24T14:40:13Z")
Good riddance. Yuck. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183/20 "2011-12-24T20:43:17Z")
What happened to the other wonderful folks that Goetz shot? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-ramseur-one-of-bernard-goetzs-shooting-victims-is-dead/607183.md?page=2)