If you really want to get into the detail you could always read this little thread. It only goes for 36 pages, but it will give you a fair understanding nonethess;)
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The light finally went on yesterday that I was dealing with a special kind of person, but those threads… Wow. My ignorance has certainly been fought.
[QUOTE=Hakuna Matata]
So you can tell if someone is psychic by their intent or emotion? I am unclear on this–do you know these people personally so that you can hear them speak? Or you are saying that you can read what someone else wrote about, say about Noreen Renier you can tell if she is a psychic? Or are you saying that from reading her words you can tell if she is real or not?
Am I a psychic? Can you tell from what I have written here? Am I being honest here? Please elaborate on what you mean by the above post so that I get an idea of how you tell if someone is a real psychic or a fake psychic.
thank you in advance
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Just as there is a definite physical maturity, so there is a definite emotional maturity. Emotional growth can be equated with spiritual growth. It is the master spiritual teachers that show us the way. The emotions also tell us many things about ourselves and the world around us. It is through emotional maturity that we learn about the intents of others and about God. Now I can not lead you to God or even emotional maturity, that is something you must do for yourself.
As for Noreen, she as proved herself and doesn’t need my validation. Forty years of psychic work with police departments is the proof she is a real psychic. After all, why would any police department call her back if she was not effective. She has worked on 500 cases. There are many really talented psychics in the world, and Randi would have lost his money many years ago if a disinterested third party determined psychic ability and not himself.
The research on near death experiences are real. The scientists conducting them were skeptics when they started and became believers when the results came in. Even as I write this, good research is being done on all the “superstitions” of skeptics. I watch a Discovery channel show about 12 scientists that tackled the Big Foot phenomenon and came up with evidence of the reality of an unknown primate. There is a time to give up skepticism merely for the sake of skepticism and pay attention to the new research. I had thought that was what scientists were taught to do.
Thanks
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I’m not sure if being humble is the same as being gullible, but you’re certainly welcome to the idea that you will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
I’ll take 75 +/- years and then nothing over an eternity like that any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
[QUOTE=Bayard]
The light finally went on yesterday that I was dealing with a special kind of person, but those threads… Wow. My ignorance has certainly been fought.
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We all had to make that leap. Now if only we could get others to understand.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
… As for Noreen, she as proved herself and doesn’t need my validation. Forty years of psychic work with police departments is the proof she is a real psychic. After all, why would any police department call her back if she was not effective. She has worked on 500 cases. …
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500 cases in 40 years, wow, I can really see just how valuable a resource the police view her as!
[QUOTE=lekatt]
Well, it’s kinda like the twig thing. If you put 1-2-3 twigs together they are easy to break, but if you put 12 million twigs together they are impossible to break.
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Ah, I see. So even though each of 2 million experiences is, by itself, absolutely and unquestionably worthless, all together, they are strong, hard, incontrovertable evidence. Truly fascinating. Thanks for setting me straight.
I guess that means that if I make up a stupid, fantastic story and am able to convince a whole bunch of people that it is true just by my powers of persuasion and their gullibility, my story will become true.
I must work on that – I have lots of fantastic stories that I would like to become true.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
Just as there is a definite physical maturity, so there is a definite emotional maturity. Emotional growth can be equated with spiritual growth. It is the master spiritual teachers that show us the way. The emotions also tell us many things about ourselves and the world around us. It is through emotional maturity that we learn about the intents of others and about God. Now I can not lead you to God or even emotional maturity, that is something you must do for yourself.
As for Noreen, she as proved herself and doesn’t need my validation. Forty years of psychic work with police departments is the proof she is a real psychic. After all, why would any police department call her back if she was not effective. She has worked on 500 cases. There are many really talented psychics in the world, and Randi would have lost his money many years ago if a disinterested third party determined psychic ability and not himself.
The research on near death experiences are real. The scientists conducting them were skeptics when they started and became believers when the results came in. Even as I write this, good research is being done on all the “superstitions” of skeptics. I watch a Discovery channel show about 12 scientists that tackled the Big Foot phenomenon and came up with evidence of the reality of an unknown primate. There is a time to give up skepticism merely for the sake of skepticism and pay attention to the new research. I had thought that was what scientists were taught to do.
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This, while nice and explains your beliefs, doesn’t answer the question I asked of you. I didn’t ask you about NDE either. I personally don’t think me understanding your beliefs is necessary to understand how you tell who is real and who is fake. My only issue in this is getting that question answered that Bayard asked as I felt it was a very good question and one you seem to be dancing around.
You stated that you could tell within a few posts or sentences if someone is telling the truth. I am making the assumption this translates to how you can tell who is a real psychic and who is a fake pyschic. So again the question is how do you determine if someone is real or not? If it is their writings or what others have written about them–what specifically clues you in to their true abilities?
I used Noreen just as an example. There are hundreds of people claiming to have psychic ability. How do you determine who is a real pyschic as opposed to a fraud?
Again, thanks in advance for responding to this specific question.
[QUOTE=Hakuna Matata]
There are hundreds of people claiming to have psychic ability. How do you determine who is a real pyschic as opposed to a fraud?
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This presumes that **lekatt ** has, at some time, met a psychic he didn’t believe in.
[QUOTE=Hakuna Matata]
This, while nice and explains your beliefs, doesn’t answer the question I asked of you. I didn’t ask you about NDE either. I personally don’t think me understanding your beliefs is necessary to understand how you tell who is real and who is fake. My only issue in this is getting that question answered that Bayard asked as I felt it was a very good question and one you seem to be dancing around.
You stated that you could tell within a few posts or sentences if someone is telling the truth. I am making the assumption this translates to how you can tell who is a real psychic and who is a fake pyschic. So again the question is how do you determine if someone is real or not? If it is their writings or what others have written about them–what specifically clues you in to their true abilities?
I used Noreen just as an example. There are hundreds of people claiming to have psychic ability. How do you determine who is a real pyschic as opposed to a fraud?
Again, thanks in advance for responding to this specific question.
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"It is through emotional maturity that we learn about the intents of others "
I answered the question. What else could I say. I look for hundreds of things, it would be different each time. Everything, what they say, their demeanor, how sincere are they? I just know after a few minutes.
To answer another post, yes, I have met many psychics who claim ability far beyond what they really have. We all have the ability, the more we focus in the now, the more it becomes apparent.
[QUOTE=Bayard]
I thought you had no belief system (you said as much earlier), and here you are quoting the Bible. Let’s take another look at the Bible, then:
Nothing gets my blood going like a good old-fashioned stoning.
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Huh, taps the poster on the shoulder, “We don’t stone people anymore, it’s against the law.”
[QUOTE=lekatt]
"It is through emotional maturity that we learn about the intents of others "
I answered the question. What else could I say. I look for hundreds of things, it would be different each time. Everything, what they say, their demeanor, how sincere are they? I just know after a few minutes.
To answer another post, yes, I have met many psychics who claim ability far beyond what they really have. We all have the ability, the more we focus in the now, the more it becomes apparent.
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The plural of anecdote is fact, science is just another belief system, and we are all psychic.
Have I left out anything, folks?
[QUOTE=lekatt]
Huh, taps the poster on the shoulder, “We don’t stone people anymore, it’s against the law.”
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Is that why we don’t? Odd justification for an advanced morality.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
The plural of anecdote is fact, science is just another belief system, and we are all psychic.
Have I left out anything, folks?
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Just one small thing, the plural of anecdote is anecdotes.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
"It is through emotional maturity that we learn about the intents of others "
I answered the question. What else could I say. I look for hundreds of things, it would be different each time. Everything, what they say, their demeanor, how sincere are they? I just know after a few minutes.
To answer another post, yes, I have met many psychics who claim ability far beyond what they really have. We all have the ability, the more we focus in the now, the more it becomes apparent.
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Define ‘emotional maturity’ please. I consider myself very emotionally mature (my wife might not agree though!). I keep a very open mind on things, but your posts seem to skirt and dance around the questions and issues raised by other posters.
As an Architect I am very open to looking at things from many perspectives–but in the end they need to hold water and are based on more than "I know’. I can claim all I want about spacial issues as an Architect, but many of my clients don’t understand until they are in the space. But I can prove my abstract thoughts with a reality. Once they walk through the finished space they can understand the abstract concepts I was discussing. It is a leap of faith for many of my clients, but the end result is I can prove it. But I understand it still is based on provable scientific and emotional responses to the environment.
So if you see a magician do some magic trick–say Penn & Teller or David Blaine–you know they are fake and not real magicians? So when they appear to read someone’s mind you just ‘know’ it is a trick? Is it because they are self proclaimed magicians? So if a self proclaimed pyschic read someone’s mind you would just ‘know’ if they are a true psychic?
Can you name one prominent pyschic that you consider a fake?
[QUOTE=lekatt]
Huh, taps the poster on the shoulder, “We don’t stone people anymore, it’s against the law.”
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You may be missing the key point of the quotes. Seems to me, the good book is saying, “inxay on the mediums and spiritists.” As a quoter of the Bible yourself, surely these arguments carry some weight with you.
As for Noreen, she as proved herself and doesn’t need my validation. Forty years of psychic work with police departments is the proof she is a real psychic. After all, why would any police department call her back if she was not effective. She has worked on 500 cases.
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Amazing.
Earlier in the thread you claimed that:
[QUOTE=lekatt]
The FBI and other law enforcement agencies think there are psychics and use them in solving crimes.
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Noreen Renier is a psychic that solves crimes for the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. She has been doing it for 40 years and has worked on over 300 cases. They keep asking her to help. Is she really psychic, yes, and so are many other folk.
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So has Noreen worked 300 or 500 cases? :smack:
In any case, as I posted earlier:
** No psychic detective has ever been praised or given official recognition by the F.B.I. or US national news for solving a crime, preventing a crime, or finding a kidnap victim or corpse. **
Brill’s Content has examined ten recent Montel Williams programs that highlighted Browne’s work as a psychic detective (as opposed to her ideas about “the afterlife,” for example), spanning 35 cases. In 21, the details were too vague to be verified. Of the remaining 14, law-enforcement officials or family members involved in the investigations say that Browne had played no useful role.
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“These guys don’t solve cases, and the media consistently gets it wrong,” says Michael Corn, an investigative producer for “Inside Edition” who produced a story last May debunking psychic detectives. Moreover, the FBI and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children maintain that to their knowledge, psychic detectives have never helped solve a single missing-person case.
“Zero. They go on TV and I see how things go and what they claim but no, zero,” says FBI agent Chris Whitcomb. “They may be remarkable in other ways, but the FBI does not use them”
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Lyons and Truzzi tell the story of a cop who considered psychic Noreen Reiner’s drawing of a circle to be a correct clue in a crime because the person arrested drove a cement mixer.
Another cop considered Dorothy Allison’s clues in a case to be on the money even though she predicted a missing person was dead who was not dead but was living in a religious cult community. The cop admitted he was baffled by Allison’s error about the person being dead but which way was he dead? asked the cop, “Biologically? Clinically? Dead tired?”
[QUOTE=Bayard]
You may be missing the key point of the quotes. Seems to me, the good book is saying, “inxay on the mediums and spiritists.” As a quoter of the Bible yourself, surely these arguments carry some weight with you.
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He also cites scientists that can be interpreted as supporting him, while rejecting and denouncing any scientists that can be interpreted as disagreeing with him (while incidentally denouncing all science in general, while simultaneously using a computer to convey that opinion). The man knows how to pick a cherry.