[QUOTE=Hakuna Matata]
Then set the test up for a repeat or random test time period. Say 5 days. Every other Tuesday, or random days. If pyschics are better on some days then others, this test would alleviate that issue. Overall if there is such a thing as psychic ability over 5 random days this ability should manifest itself–and if they couldn’t, then it would show that this ability doesn’t exist. My understanding of the prize is that “YOU” as the pyschic can outline what you are going to do. So say you will show you can pick the room the guy is in 3 out of the 5 days. If you can do that, you have gone a long way to proving that the ability exists.
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[QUOTE=lekatt]
Let’s change it to five boxes, easier to do the math.
We could expect someone to pick the correct box one time out of five, and two times out of ten. So you are asking the psychic to better the average by 3 times.
The psychic should pick 6 out of 10, right.
I would say no, on the average. You might find one that could do twice the expected average. When these tests were being conducted at a University there was a score in the three times average range, but only one. These kinds of tests should be run many times with the same psychic to reveal any real results.
Psychics are better at seeing and talking to the “dead.”
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What about getting 25 out of 90 tests, done over ten days, that’s less than twice the average?
Can you suggest a test of talking to the “dead”, can the “dead” watch the coin being placed and tell the psychic. All they’d need to do able to communicate as some form of ‘yes’ or ‘no’ for each box.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
I would agree to that, it is a fair proposal.
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If I recall you, yourself, claim to have psychic ability–is that correct? If so, why don’t you propose this to Randi? I am sure you could use a million dollars can’t you? Can’t a pyschic propose a test over several days like this? There will be negotiations with the Randi team, but the gist of the test would remain the same I would imagine. If it is this easy, then why haven’t any pyschics proposed such a simple test?
[QUOTE=SpaceDog]
Do psychics consistently perform to at least some degree? Then we can construct a test that’s tests for that ability, however slight. As long as a psychic performs better than someone who’s just guessing.
Or are there days when a psychics power isn’t working at all? Then they can reschedule the test, but only before they’re started. They must know that their psychic power isn’t working in advance, they’re free to perform whatever test or preparation in advance to ensure their power is up to speed.
Or are you saying that there are times when a psychic loses their power completely whilst being unaware of that fact. If that’s the case then isn’t it a little dodgy to be charging money for psychic insight if there’s a chance that – at that particular moment – it’s not psychic at all.
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I know in my own experiences, that yes, some days nothing works. Weather also affects psychic ability. Psychics must be able to focus intensely on the subject or object they are trying to “see.” If this focus in not sustainable due to some condition then the ability is less. If a psychic “loses” their ability they know it immediately. There is nothing for them to “see.”
Psychometry is a lot of fun for anyone to play with. In our support groups each person would bring some object to the meeting and sneak it into a basket. When time came each person would draw an object and try to tell who it belonged to and some things about it.
You pick up an object, hold it in your hand and clear your mind. The things that seem to pop into your mind might belong to the object. I remember picking a piece of jewelry from the basket and seeing a bow and arrow over a tombstone appear in my mind. I interpreted it as coming from an Indian burial ground, and was correct. No, I didn’t know who put it in the basket.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
The audience is necessary for honesty. You think the test is fair when the person who puts up the money grades the test. Yeah, right.
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I am asking you for the last time to quit misrepresenting how the test is conducted. There is no grading-there is a pass/fail system which is predetermined and agreed upon by both sides. You have been given links multiple times that established this, and you have been told this multiple times by people on this board and other message boards. Do not misrepresent the facts about this again.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
No, this third party must not have any prejudices on either side. Not coached by the psychics or the skeptics in any way. I said a level playing field. There could be more than one person, like a jury if you want. If there are readings to be done then the persons read could be picked at the last possible moment from the audience by the third parties and interviewed by the third party only before the readings.
Psychics seldom hear words, more likely they see pictures from the spirit world about the subject, they have to interpret what those pictures mean to the physical world. Not as easy task. How do I know? I see those pictures also when I close my eyes. Most spiritual people do.
Good psychic tests have been done on television many times. Might want to look for them. In one test five psychics were taken to a motel. One at a time they were shown inside and told of the twenty-odd rooms there is one room with a man sitting on a bed. All the other rooms are empty. The psychics had never been in the motel and didn’t even know what the test would be until they arrived.
The first psychic went straight to the room with the man in it.
The second psychic went to the room on the left of where the man was, then corrected himself to go to the room with the man in it.
The third psychic went to the room on the right of were the man was, then corrected himself to to to the room with the man in it.
The forth psychic went to the room to the left of the man, and then corrected himself in another wrong room.
The fifth psychic had no idea where the man was and went to a room on the other side of the hall.
They were scored points for how well they performed and given 4 or 5 more tasks, it was an interesting show. Look for them, they are not that infrequent.
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Unless you can give us a cite for this, I’ll just assume this is yet another unconfirmed story. Would it be too much trouble to confine your story telling to MPSIMS, or is that all you’ve got when it comes to this subject?
[QUOTE=SpaceDog]
What about getting 25 out of 90 tests, done over ten days, that’s less than twice the average?
Can you suggest a test of talking to the “dead”, can the “dead” watch the coin being placed and tell the psychic. All they’d need to do able to communicate as some form of ‘yes’ or ‘no’ for each box.
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I think that would be reasonable, yes the dead can help the living, but not to win the lottery.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
I am asking you for the last time to quit misrepresenting how the test is conducted. There is no grading-there is a pass/fail system which is predetermined and agreed upon by both sides. You have been given links multiple times that established this, and you have been told this multiple times by people on this board and other message boards. Do not misrepresent the facts about this again.
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If you can remember right, I posted the link to Randi test rules myself. Now show me a link to an actual test.
[QUOTE=Hakuna Matata]
If I recall you, yourself, claim to have psychic ability–is that correct? If so, why don’t you propose this to Randi? I am sure you could use a million dollars can’t you? Can’t a pyschic propose a test over several days like this? There will be negotiations with the Randi team, but the gist of the test would remain the same I would imagine. If it is this easy, then why haven’t any pyschics proposed such a simple test?
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I do not claim to be a psychic, Randi’s test does not have credibility among psychics, that is why no prominent psychic is interested in it. He is right to discard it. There have been some suggestions on testing here that would draw prominent psychics I believe.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
Unless you can give us a cite for this, I’ll just assume this is yet another unconfirmed story. Would it be too much trouble to confine your story telling to MPSIMS, or is that all you’ve got when it comes to this subject?
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I did tell you where the story came from and witnessing is allowed, I can’t determine what your problem is, perhaps something more specific.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
If you can remember right, I posted the link to Randi test rules myself. Now show me a link to an actual test.
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Where in the rules does it state that Randi grades the tests?
[QUOTE=lekatt]
I think that would be reasonable, yes the dead can help the living, but not to win the lottery.
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Why not? If winning the lottery would help somebody start a new life, or help charity, why couldn’t the dead help with that if they could communicate at all?
Exactly what is the source of your belief system, anyway? Spiritualism?
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
I am asking you for the last time to quit misrepresenting how the test is conducted. There is no grading-there is a pass/fail system which is predetermined and agreed upon by both sides. You have been given links multiple times that established this, and you have been told this multiple times by people on this board and other message boards. Do not misrepresent the facts about this again.
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Also, Randi isn’t the one who makes the pass/fail determination. That’s left to an agreed upon third party.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
If you can remember right, I posted the link to Randi test rules myself. Now show me a link to an actual test.
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Why do you continuously misrepresent it then?
To others participating in this discussion-Working out the details of a test with lekatt is a complete waste of time. He claims that everyone is psychic, and that if a psychic fails a test, either the test was unfair or the psychic was having a bad day. He will not agree to take any test where the results are pass/fail. Further discussion with him is a complete waste of time-if you doubt this, please look up the many other threads on this subject he has participated in. No matter what is established, no matter what he is told, no matter how often he is corrected he will go on to the next thread as if all the others never existed.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
You pick up an object, hold it in your hand and clear your mind. The things that seem to pop into your mind might belong to the object. I remember picking a piece of jewelry from the basket and seeing a bow and arrow over a tombstone appear in my mind. I interpreted it as coming from an Indian burial ground, and was correct. No, I didn’t know who put it in the basket.
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[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
To others participating in this discussion-Working out the details of a test with lekatt is a complete waste of time. He claims that everyone is psychic, and that if a psychic fails a test, either the test was unfair or the psychic was having a bad day. He will not agree to take any test where the results are pass/fail. Further discussion with him is a complete waste of time-if you doubt this, please look up the many other threads on this subject he has participated in. No matter what is established, no matter what he is told, no matter how often he is corrected he will go on to the next thread as if all the others never existed.
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All true, of course. It’s just so hard to let his statements go. After all, if a newbie or somebody on the cusp of being a true-believer reads the thread, shouldn’t Lekatt’s claims be challenged?
But yeah, we’d have better luck debating with a clam.
[QUOTE=photopat]
Out of curiosity, what kind of jewelry was it?
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It was crystal, presumable worn around the neck. It was found at an Indian graveyard, but no knowledge of who it belonged or how long it had been there.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
Psychics are better at seeing and talking to the “dead.”
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I doubt they can see the dead as well as me, but then again I’m a pathologist.
I’m not much on talking to the dead, as the conversation drags quickly. They do provide much more objective and verifiable information than what we get from lekatt.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
Why do you continuously misrepresent it then?
To others participating in this discussion-Working out the details of a test with lekatt is a complete waste of time. He claims that everyone is psychic, and that if a psychic fails a test, either the test was unfair or the psychic was having a bad day. He will not agree to take any test where the results are pass/fail. Further discussion with him is a complete waste of time-if you doubt this, please look up the many other threads on this subject he has participated in. No matter what is established, no matter what he is told, no matter how often he is corrected he will go on to the next thread as if all the others never existed.
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Everything you said I said is false. I never even suggested I take any test, please, a little honesty in interpreting my posts.
Can’t a pyschic propose a test over several days like this? There will be negotiations with the Randi team, but the gist of the test would remain the same I would imagine. If it is this easy, then why haven’t any pyschics proposed such a simple test?