# James Tiberius Kirk vs. Seven of Nine **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 12, 2003, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146 "2003-09-12T06:01:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/21 "2003-09-12T20:56:22Z")
Wait a minute… Are you guys seriously suggesting that Kirk would make the moves on 7/9? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/22 "2003-09-12T20:58:17Z")
Hell yeah! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/23 "2003-09-12T21:04:35Z")
Just for the record, I found B’ellana to be much more attractive than Seven and I’m not basing her experience on her percieved attractiveness. I just find it impossible to believe that with her dabbling in her humanity on a ship full of men, that she never had sex. _Especially_ considering her forthrightness and that I’m in the minority concerning her appeal. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/24 "2003-09-12T21:25:05Z")
It’s just that it never spoken of, other than cites I already mentioned. You know what that means to a Trek Doper. Not canon ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/25 "2003-09-12T21:27:19Z")
Neither of them can defeat The Rock. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/26 "2003-09-12T21:29:56Z")
And, as far as her “dabbling in humanity,” remember that it was a major character point for 7 of 9 that SHE DIDN’T FIT IN. Constantly, tptb at Trek made this sickeningly clear. I agree, they should’ve provided a way for her to “be a girl,” but instead, all they ever did was show how her being “different” both helped Janeway’s Cause and was a point of uncomfortableness to Seven. yeah, I’m a geek. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/27 "2003-09-12T22:03:07Z")
I’m not trying to say it’s canon… only that I personally believe she isn’t a virgin. Also, as far as canon goes, there are a few things I hold to be true despite never having been said on-screen. Joanna McCoy being the prime example. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/28 "2003-09-13T13:41:08Z")
**NCB** forfeits! I win! ---
**Author:** ![corndog\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea666f/32.png) [@corndog\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corndog_man)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/29 "2003-09-13T14:12:20Z")
A scene with Kirk and 7 of 9, who could sit through the wooden acting of these two? ---
**Author:** ![Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnac_the_Magnificent)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/30 "2003-09-13T15:01:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by corndog man \* > \*\*A scene with Kirk and 7 of 9, who could sit through the wooden acting of these two? \*\* The wood on the big screen would be no match for the wood in the audience. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/31 "2003-09-13T17:45:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\ ***NCB** forfeits! I win! \*\* I didn’t forfeit. Your arguments have some value, but the main point is what you’re overlooking. The writers made the 7 of 9 character a fish out of water. She did not develope friendships. She avoided closeness with crew members. She exhibited an attitude toward them of conceit while internally she felt out of place. THAT’S HOW THEY WROTE HER. Extrapolating from that, you could go either way, sure. But the most _logical_ conclusion to come to is that she didn’t engage in ANY SORT of recreation with the crew, much less would she choose such an intimate act to “break the ice.” But, think what you want. You are **Aes** , the Illogical Trek Doper™. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/32 "2003-09-13T21:05:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > **…Extrapolating from that, you could go either way, sure. But the most _logical_ conclusion to come to is that she didn’t engage in ANY SORT of recreation with the crew, much less would she choose such an intimate act to “break the ice.”…** There are episodes wherein she _does_ engage in recreation with the crew though. Her singing being a prime example. Also, with her being inhuman (seeing as how she was raised by Borg), she would be unlikely to view sex as an intimate act and rather just something to do, either for procreation or for the sensation of it. Who’s to say that Kim was the only one to try and bed her? If there was another and he wasn’t as gunshy, then Seven probably would have been just as ready and willing. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/33 "2003-09-13T21:59:05Z")
My feeling is that Kirk was actually a warmer, more empathic captain than Janeway ever was. Janeway was always too proper, too formal. Kirk would find a way to make Seven of Nine fit in. He would find a way to make her feel accepted. He would find a way to make her feel his genitals from inside her own body. And if that ain’t canon, it oughtta be. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/34 "2003-09-13T22:13:34Z")
Yeah, **EC** , that pretty much wraps up my thoughts on this line of conjecture. Whether or not she ever “did it” before, she would definitely “do it” with Kirk. And, as I originally posted, he would do her in da butt. Thus ends this great hijack as all agree to put down their weapons so as to encourage and enjoy the Greatest Love Of All™, the love of a good porn show. Live long, and me love you long time [boom chicka chicka waa waa chicka chicka…] ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/35 "2003-09-13T23:57:31Z")
Okay, that I can agree with. I was still right though ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/36 "2003-09-14T00:01:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JThunder \* > \*\*Wait a minute… Are you guys seriously suggesting that Kirk would make the moves on 7/9? \*\* Well I would, and so would Kirk. Even non-Trekkies know that. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/37 "2003-09-14T00:44:06Z")
Why? Has Kirk done this sort of thing before? ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/38 "2003-09-14T03:23:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FabioClone \* > **…nothing can stop Ripped-Shirt Kirk.** Words to live by. ---
**Author:** ![lokij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5e9695/32.png) [@lokij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lokij)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/39 "2003-09-14T05:14:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JThunder \* > \*\*Well? Who would win in this momentous encounter? What manner of conflict would ensue? > > Any guesses? > > Anyone? \*\* I predict a close encounter of the Sensual kind. - (in a Zapp Branagan voice) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2003, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146/40 "2003-09-14T06:45:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > **And, as I originally posted, he would do her in da butt.** You’re such a romantic. _–swoon–_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/james-tiberius-kirk-vs-seven-of-nine/201146.md?page=3)