While I will certainly agree that pizza dosen’t necc. NEED to be unhealthy, the toppings most commonly used in school cafeterias (at least around these parts) like sausage, pepperoni or other high-fat meats are a long way from what I consider healthy fare for kids…
Sausage isn’t necessarily a high fat meat, either. It has moderate amounts of fat in the serving sizes that are on a pizza. Schoolpizzas are not exactly what you would call ‘deluxe’ pizzas or extra toppings, and often times there is a choice of a plain cheese pizza…
Pizzas are also the perfect medium to sneak in the veggies. Hopefully he will take advantage of that culinary fact… but I tend to doubt it. His food is highly politicized. Although he should make a really good pizza, due to his roots in Italian Restaurants.
Oh come on, when someone says “processed food” in the context Jamie Oliver was talking, you know he’s not talking about meatloaf. He’s talking about packaged food with lots of chemical stabilizers and additives - Twinkies and other pre-packaged frankenfood. If you want to insist on the broadest possible definition of “processed”, go for it, but you’re twisting his words and meanings.
Same thing as your first statement. Yes, in the broadest possible definition of the term “pate” you’re right. But most of us know the difference between a terrine made with foie gras and pork shoulder and meat paste made out of mechanically separated chicken. And most people don’t put connective tissue and crushed bone in their pates, and stay away from artificial flavorings as well.
Pizza is often unhealthy. It doesn’t have to be, but it usually is. The crust is usually white and has had most of the nutritional value spun out of it. The sauce is loaded with sugar - and honestly, there isn’t much sauce on most pizza - not enough to count as a vegetable serving. Processed pizzas usually have enough salt in them to make a mummy. The meats and cheese are often high fat. And, like most foods in America, we seem to believe three pieces represents a reasonable serving size.
I like pizza. I’m gluten intolerant and pizza in its million forms is one of the things I miss. But just because something contains all the food groups, doesn’t mean it is healthy.
Wasn’t one of the problems that they were serving pizza every day? I find that mind-boggling… I also love pizza, but no more than once every few weeks. If I were eating a slab of pizza once or twice a day I’d be obese too, unless I were exercising rigorously— which I doubt many of those kids are.
I’ve also come to prefer thin crust pizza that isn’t drooping with cheese and toppings, and I can’t stand sweet sauce. However, as I kid I’d have preferred the thick, doughy crap the WV school is serving, so it’s fortunate it wasn’t being offered to me daily.
People who get the vapors from reading curse words would probably be better off on another board. This board has no rules against this type of swearing outside the pit, as you damn well know. His usage wasn’t inappropriate at all. You should stop trying to enforce your own provincial attitude on this forum by fiat.
I feel I must add comment here.
As a card carrying Brit I have to say that the only way I have ever heard of beets is from US TV.
We do have breetroot a pickled variety, but I would argue that poss 80%+ of Britons would not know what a beet is.
Ive always assummed they were US based only.
Aren’t beets just what we call beetroot? I buy it fresh all the time from Sainsburys (the pickled variety seems a bit 1970s to me).
Actually I used to handle the USDA commodities distribution for my branch of US Foodservices back a couple of years.
The foods in the commodities program are actually donated by the manufacturing companies. Blocks of cheese are available, or they could be sent to a packaging plant that wold cut them into cubes or shred and repackage them. Occasionally my clients would have the cheese transshipped to a plant where it was used in pizza. So blame the food industry for donating garbage to the program, it is not the fault of the USDA, they did not control what was donated to them.
On the other hand, some school systems ordered real food from us to supplement the commodities. Norwalk’s schools ordered real fruits and vegetables and made salads available to the kids there, and he also ordered juice and bottled water instead of sodas. Hartford’s school system also ordered real fruits and vegetables, and juices from us to supplement their commodities. [and FWIW, we did schools, jails, fosterages and halfway houses … lots of places qualify for commodities.]
Exactly right. I suspect that dk knows very well what “processed” means but is being deliberately obtuse.
U.S. beets (meaning something you would eat) and U.K. beetroot are exactly the same thing.
The word “beet” also refers to several other kinds of agricultural plants, most significantly sugar beets, but those are used solely to make sugar and aren’t something that consumers ever come into contact with.
When speaking of something that you would be served to eat, there’s no difference between beets and beetroot.
Show me the processed food that is objectionable and that the kids are actually eating in the cafeteria. Prove to me that these ominous sounding “stabiliziers and additives” are harmful. I hear people bandy around “processed food” quite often and don’t really know shit about which they speak, especially in the case of a balanced shool diet. Processed is not a dirty word and means absolutely nothing in the culinary dynamic. You and he don’t have a verifiable scientific leg to stand on as regards the food that these kids are eating. Show me the harmful additives and stabilizers that these kids are actually eating and prove to me that they are harmful.
What is the difference between a meatloaf you make in your home and freeze and a “processed” meatloaf that you can get out of the frozen section in your supermarket? I’ll thell you what, nothing.They are not nutritionally different.
Damn right they don’t and that’s my point. Can’t you read, or are you being deliberately obtuse? Did you even watch the show?.. I reiterate, he explicitly said that that is not the way chicken nuggets are made in the US, and that is not what the children were eating. What additives and artificial flavorings did he add to his yellow journalism, bogus nugget, treats? We have no idea what he even made, or how it compares to a real nugget. It’s bullshit. And what, praytell, are the “artificial” flavors that might be added to a chicken nugget? Show me a chicken nugget anywhere with these so-called “artificial” flavors…
Homemade meatloaf:
1 egg
1/4 cup milk
1 cup uncooked, non-instant oatmeal or oats
1 1/2 pounds lean ground beef
1 medium onion, chopped
1 teaspoon dried thyme
2 tablespoons Dijon mustard or 1 teaspoon mustard powder
1/2 cup chopped parsley, flat leaf if possible or 3 tablespoons dried parsley
Store bought meatloaf from Stouffers:
WATER, GROUND BEEF, ONIONS, ROLLED OATS, KETCHUP (TOMATO CONCENTRATE, CORN SYRUP, VINEGAR, SALT, ONIONS, SPICES), CHILI SAUCE (TOMATOES, CORN SYRUP, SUGAR, VINEGAR, RED PEPPERS, SALT, DEHYDRATED ONION, DEHYDRATED GARLIC, PEPPERS, FLAVOUR), MODIFIED CORN STARCH, TOMATO PASTE, SOY OIL, WORCESTERSHIRE SAUCE (VINEGAR, MOLASSES, WATER, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, SALT, ANCHOVIES, TAMARIND, SPICES, FLAVOUR, COLOUR, ONION POWDER, GARLIC POWDER), GREEN PEPPERS, TEXTURED SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SALT, AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, WHEAT FLOUR, POTASSIUM CHLORIDE, MILK INGREDIENTS, SUGAR, SOY SAUCE POWDER (SOYBEANS, WHEAT, SALT, MALTODEXTRIN), SPICES, GARLIC, ONION POWDER, BROWN SUGAR SYRUP, COLOUR, GARLIC POWDER, LACTIC ACID, CALCIUM LACTATE, FLAVOUR (CORN MALTODEXTRIN, SALT, AUTOLYZED YEAST EXTRACT, SOY SAUCE [WATER, SOYBEANS, WHEAT, SALT], BEEF EXTRACT, BEEF FAT, FLAVOUR, TAPIOCA DEXTRIN, DEXTROSE, SOY OIL, MILK INGREDIENTS, WATER, COLOUR, LACTIC ACID).
Seem kinda different to me.
So, did anyone watch tonight?
And if so, do you honestly believe that these kids were the only cooking for the large group of bigwigs? I assume that they must have also had professional cooks helping out.
Not really, that’s a shitty and nontraditional meatloaf recipe, and disingenous, it is not different nor more or less harmful nutritionally. And then riddle me this JOEBUCK and everyone else? Have you ever made a meatloaf with a meatloaf seasoning pack or lipton Onion Soup? Do you add ketchup or worcestershire sauce to your meatloaf? Do you make tempe loaf? It’s all in there, and nobody is dieing from those ingredients.
What’s the real argument here? That institutional foods and fast foods (often the same thing in this country) aren’t packed full of excessive fat, salt, sugar, and calories in general and deficient in fruits, vegetables, and fiber?
Rather eat that than Bacon Salt…
You said:
So I showed you how they were different. In your reply you say “that’s shitty and disingenous (sic)” and “it is not different”. So which is it?
I think you have some sort of issue with healthy food that has nothing to do with what we’re talking about here. Maybe if you admit that most processed food is crap, then you will be forced to admit that you are eating crap. You seem to think there’s no difference in eating a Twinkie or an apple. Maybe you should do some research on healthy diets so you’d understand why eating pizza for breakfast is not as good as eating oatmeal and a piece of fruit.
A healthy meal might make you less cranky, too!
Oh, I eat quite healthy for my metabolic relativity, thank you. You can keep exaggerating all you want, but the truth is you are more hung-up about food, and restrictive in an obsessive and unnatural way, than I could ever be… I have a quite enlightened relationship with food, thank you.