I don’t want crumbly cakey bread either. The whole wheat I eat isn’t a bit crumbly or cakey. It’s not like white bread, but it’s not like you describe, either.
What brands are you trying? Have you tried any from a local bakery?
Off the top of my head, Scandinavian countries and Germany both have long heritages of whole-grain breads. Healthier than the US? Well, isn’t every place healthier than the US? Aren’t we the worst?
You think we’re worse than sub-Saharan Africa? Samoa? Haiti?
Obviously not. It’s a theoretical question about the healthiness of traditional diets, not whether or not people have access to such diets.
A traditional West African diet- assuming you have reasonable access to protein (which is not a great assumption- most people don’t)- can be quite healthy. In north Cameroon you’d typically eat some millet and milk/peanut butter porridge or maybe a fried egg for breakfast. Lunch and dinner would be millet topped with a sauce usually made of fresh green vegetables, peanut butter, and dried fish or small cubes of meat. Snacks were usually peanuts, boiled eggs, meat sticks or bean cakes. People ate a huge variety of fruits and making fruit juices and fruity yogurt was a common cottage industry.
Sweets were rare- now and then you’d eat a sweet donut or some sweetened sesame cakes, but that’d be a special treat. Most people drank water or tea, and soda was way to expensive to drink more than a few times a year. People tended to have nice teeth.
They did tend to use more carbs that we would be comfortable with- but then people worked HARD, often pulling 10 hours of hard physical labor daily, and protein was too expensive to fill up on. Oil was also in abundance, but once again people could rarely afford to use great amounts of oil and so they’d take advantage of it when they could get it.
Anyway, most people who could afford decent nutrition had great bodies with well-developed muscles. If it were not for infectious disease I’m sure they would generally be much healthier than Americans.
This post is a bit old but I’ve just now watched all three episodes that have aired so far. Yeah, some of the veggies may be a tad obscure. There were a couple things I didn’t know. But not knowing a tomato? Or a potato? That’s definitely not a good thing.
I’m glad he’s helping them, though. I don’t think he’s provincial or racist. Is provincial the word you mean? If anything, it sounds like you’re saying that he’s accusing the people of Huntington of being provincial. I’ve heard people complain that, oh this rich outsider is coming to mock these poor people. But he himself comes from a working class background–his father owned, and still owns, a pub, where he would work, too, from age six. And as he pointed out, these problems existed in England, too.
And the points he makes are valid ones. This is an obese area, and people are dying from their failure to eat properly. It’s not as if he’s being an alarmist over nothing at all.
Bolding mine, if you want to compare sugars. There are 13 grams of sugar in an average apple, and 9 grams in Chik-fil-a barbecue dipping sauce… which is really an oversized serving size compared to most fast food restaurants. So, we’ll just use this serving soiz4e as an outlier. Of course the dietary fiber that can be gotten from the apple is not comparable. And then again, a spiced apple dipping sauce for a nugget doesn’t sound bad… maybe a combination of fresh apples and pickled cinnamon apple rings in a molasses melange.
Natural fruit sugars and refined sugars are hardly the same thing.
That’s highly debatable and ludicrous. Sucroses is Sucroses… unless you are a proponent of some sort of snake oil dietary homeopathy as practiced by the Brits.
All sugars are not created equal, and it isn’t all sucrose. I knew this long before The Food Revolution came along, and it has fuck-all to do with anyone being British.:rolleyes:
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Well…I don’t know why any of us bother. You’ve already got your mind up.
You know, I had a whole reply typed up here about the nutritional differences between an apple and a Chik-Fil-A BBQ dipping sauce, and then realized, wait a minute, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, I’m explaining the nutritional difference between an apple and a Chik-Fil-A BBQ dipping sauce, which one would think would be obvious to anyone who had the brain power of a marmoset. Kids, I think we’re being trolled.
Agreed. And to think I actually held out hope of curing some ignorance.
Not gonna happen here.
Ehh, I read it as a somewhat-cranky effort at contrarianism. And look – it’s not as though there isn’t some history of people touting “healthy” and “natural” to cram down our throats something that turns out not to be particularly good for you (Snackwells, fruit juice for kids, granola, etc. etc.), or at least, not a panacea when divorced from (wait for it) an Overall Healthy Lifestyle.
The critique of Oliver that says he’s trying to force his agenda down our throats doesn’t resonate as well in the U.S. because, Michelle Obama notwithstanding, the Nanny State is not as far advanced in the U.S., and the farm lobby (which drives a lot of the HFCS laden, government-subsidized commodity farming that gets converted into those processed school lunches) seems much more powerful in the U.S. than in the U.K.
Troll this.
Apple or Tomato juice/sauce, which has more sugars? I offered a spiced apple alternative. Jamie Oliver isn’t being a chef… He’s some kind of hardline food nazi troll… the propaganda, they hurtses the people he is trying to help.
Jamie Oliver is a food nazi troll? He’s telling people it’s better to eat stuff like stir fry with veggies, pasta, salads, instead of fries and burgers. And his stir fry and salads did look really good. I mean, he’s not saying that you have to eat horrible boring food–he’s trying to point out that even the good for you food really can be tasty if you’re used to it. Kids seem to be used to eating a lot of crap like nuggets and even when they know where it comes from, they want to eat it.
And I think that a lot of time, the typical attitude is that kids hate xyz. But a lot of this food might just be odd to them because they’ve never it. The radio announcer guy was all, “We’re not gonna eat lettuce.” But I don’t think he’s one of those fervent anti-anything with fat in it guys. He makes pastas with cream and butter. Or salad with dressing. All of it looks like it genuinely would taste good.
Y’know, even as a fellow limey, I really didn’t like Jamie Oliver when he first became famous over here. He’s got a silly lisp and is kind of annoying.
But his recipes are excellent, and he’s pretty endearing and loveable which he showed in his Jamie’s American Road Trip series.
Part of me still doesn’t want to like Jamie Oliver, but I can’t help it. I think he’s doing good work over in the States, like he did over here in the school. I’ve just finished the second episode and I’m on the third. The cooking scene where he makes the stir-fry with the dangerously overweight kid was the annoying Jamie that I still cringe at. But he’s right about the girls bit; I’d learned to cook because I cooked with my Dad when I was younger and never thought of it as being girly. When I came to Uni, it was then that I realised it’s a surefire way to impress a girl and gain an excuse to ignore the dishes (!).
Lots of my friends my age still can’t cook worth a damn, and it’s quite distressing.
I don’t think devilsknew is a troll, I think she is the bitter lunchlady at the elementary school, who is really, really pissed about her cheese being moved.
No, I really think this is long overdue, I just don’t like his philosophy of food, and as a product of the typical American diet propaganda and this culturization of restriction, predict his results will be another politicized and hyped, non scientific trend, that will not last nor have any real teeth. Jamie is a heartstring, gimmicky, food falsemessiah. He registers somewhere on my foodmeter between Richard Simmons and Tony Little. He is a reactionary on a crusade, and that has little to do with smart and sensible, moderate, and native consumption.
But look where the scientific portion analysis gets you where 1.25 cups of optional fruit and veg will suffice, to which fried potatoes may be counted.
There is a science behind healthy eating, but you don’t have to be a scientist to understand it and apply it. It’s largely common sense, and common sense that most people used to have but we’ve lost the way somewhere in the West.
I just tried a bite of microwaved frozen pizza the other day (hungry–no good excuse) and was immediately reminded of why I quit eating this stuff years ago. It’s petrified grease on cardboard. You can’t chew the crust, the meat is oily, the cheese is even more so, and it’s been in the box for so long with so many preservatives that it’s nothing but congealed goop.
It was so different from the tasty pizzas made from fresh ingredients and cooked for immediate consumption that they don’t even belong in the same category.
I suppose that makes me a deluded, “homeopathic” food nazi. :rolleyes: