# JamieMcGarry - Wheel yourself on down here **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050 "2011-08-25T16:11:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/181 "2011-08-26T15:53:29Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I confess I also want Millionaire Matchmaker’s Patti Stanger to show up and give Jamie tips about dating while rolling. OMG, I would pay to see this. Ratings gold. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/182 "2011-08-26T15:54:43Z")
Did you join so you could revel in your tales of handicapped parking heroics, and we would pat you on the back and throw a big party for your bravery like you seem to want everyone to do? Also, am I the only one that finds it ironic that you’re so preoccupied with passive aggression, when your commentary on your parking lot escapades amounts to no more than sneak bragging? ETA: above directed at **jamie** , obviously. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/183 "2011-08-26T15:55:18Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#): > > I am truly finished defending myself in this thread. I didn’t join this message board for nastiness, pettiness and slander. Are you tired of trying to explain this to us? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/184 "2011-08-26T15:55:53Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#): > > I am truly finished defending myself in this thread. I didn’t join this message board for nastiness, pettiness and slander. Right, why would you have joined for that when you always bring your own? Troll. Or maybe more appropriately… tRoll. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/185 "2011-08-26T15:56:07Z")
But, by your own admission, you’re an, ‘aggressive asshole’! What do you expect from the world when that’s what you put out? More importantly, how can you be surprised that you get nothing but push back, when all you do is push? Baffling. And what’s to defend? You **are** bitter. You _do_ groove on battling and you **are** deaf to any other opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/186 "2011-08-26T16:01:17Z")
I don’t think **Jamie** is such a terrible guy; I think he goes a bit too far in his crusade, but I applaud the cause of his crusade, and maybe if more people were willing to challenge all the assholes we see doing asshole stuff all the time, they’d be shamed into acting like decent members of society instead of assholes. Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/187 "2011-08-26T16:01:55Z")
Jamie, I don’t want to pile onwhat has been said. However maybe you could take stock of virtually all your posts have been about a whiney entitled prick. And, for my own benefit, I can’t visualise any circumstances where I would poduce a private message. That is infra dig. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/188 "2011-08-26T16:13:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Indeed. Put your money where your mouth is. > > Regards, > Shodan Sounds like we need a companion thread to ‘using your bra as a purse.’. Anyone want to pop over to IMHO and start that? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/189 "2011-08-26T16:14:39Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Anyway, maybe we should get back to discussing more important matters. Like a few other episodes of _Curb Your Wheelchair_. I think **jamie** ’s date where the waiters tried to take his wheelchair off to the side would be brilliant. It really is perfect Larry David territory. Regardless of whether the restaurant did the wrong thing, Jamie still managed to come off as a jerk and embarrassed his date. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/190 "2011-08-26T16:38:48Z")
Bolding mine: > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I don’t think **Jamie** is such a terrible guy; I think he goes a bit too far in his crusade, but I applaud the cause of his crusade, and maybe **if more people were willing to challenge all the assholes we see doing asshole stuff all the time, they’d be shamed into acting like decent members of society instead of assholes.** So you understand the purpose of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/191 "2011-08-26T16:57:55Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#): > > (Bolding mine) > His response was the same old wide-eyed **passive-aggressive bullshit** he pulls on the forums: You misunderstand my posts, I’m a well-meaning innocent and people either misunderstand me or _gasp_ react in a hostile and baffling way to my polite, well-meaning questions. > > Also he suggested that I no longer open any of his posts, since I was clearly prejudiced, had my mind made up about him before I even opened his thread, and misunderstood his **poor innocent self**. > > I didn’t respond to his **last whining little PM** to me. His tone in his private messages to me was **whining** and predictable, with not a shred of acknowledgement that I was trying to make nice. > > Really? I am commenting on the truthfulness of **chiroptera’s** characterization of _ **my** _ words, not her own. I told her I didn’t think her comment was rude or offensive. I don’t believe my responses were "passive-aggressive, “whining” or came across as making myself out as something “poor and innocent.” > > I am truly finished defending myself in this thread. I didn’t join this message board for nastiness, pettiness and slander. It’s sad that Jamie doesn’t realize that everything he’s posted here describes himself to a T… ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/192 "2011-08-26T17:05:05Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > The law ruled it out. .06 is not drunk. I don’t think that is correct. The law says that blowing a .08 (or whatever the current number is) is prima facie evidence of DUI, and your ass is grass. It’s more of a hill to climb, but I’m pretty sure that you can be convicted of DUI with a lower number, based on field sobriety tests, observed driving weaving, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/193 "2011-08-26T17:09:33Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I don’t think that is correct. The law says that blowing a .08 (or whatever the current number is) is prima facie evidence of DUI, and your ass is grass. > > It’s more of a hill to climb, but I’m pretty sure that you can be convicted of DUI with a lower number, based on field sobriety tests, observed driving weaving, etc. Not in my state. If you are driving badly, and you blow less than .08, you might get a reckless driving charge or something like that. But you won’t get a DUI. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/194 "2011-08-26T17:21:18Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It really is perfect Larry David territory. Regardless of whether the restaurant did the wrong thing, Jamie still managed to come off as a jerk and embarrassed his date. Yeah. If **jamiemcgarry** didn’t exist, Larry David or Jerry Seinfeld would have to invent him. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/195 "2011-08-26T17:23:26Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > So you understand the purpose of this thread? Stop it - you’re _killing_ me! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/196 "2011-08-26T17:25:40Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Not in my state. If you are driving badly, and you blow less than .08, you might get a reckless driving charge or something like that. But you won’t get a DUI. Michigan’s Zero Tolerance laws say that you’ll be charged with an OWI if you are under 21 and have a BAC over .02 but less then .08. > **[MCL - Section 257.625 - Michigan Legislature](https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=MCL-257-625)** ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/197 "2011-08-26T17:26:31Z")
In every state, province, and territory where I’ve lived, one can be prosecuted successfully for DUI if one has a greater than 0.0% BAC if one is under the legal age to imbibe. Just as with the term _insane_, there’s a popular meaning for the term DUI and a legal definition. Unsurprisingly, the police, prosecutors, and courts tend to adhere to the legal definition. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/198 "2011-08-26T17:28:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > In every state, province, and territory where I’ve lived, one can be prosecuted successfully for DUI if one has a greater than 0.0% BAC if one is under the legal age to imbibe. Just as with the term _insane_, there’s a popular meaning for the term DUI and a legal definition. Unsurprisingly, the police, prosecutors, and courts tend to adhere to the legal definition. Is it DUI or underage drinking? Regardless, I stand by my assertion that a BAC of .06 did not contribute to or cause Jamie’s accident. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/199 "2011-08-26T17:40:42Z")
The thing is, none of us were in that car with Jamie the night he had his accident\* so there is no earthly way of knowing if his drinking contributed to it or not. Admittedly there’s a difference between being buzzed and being completely in the bag, but I’ve been in enough cars with tipsy people to know that they can and do take risks they normally wouldn’t, go faster than they should, their reactions aren’t as swift. Can anyone definitively say he got in the accident because he was drinking? Nope. Can it be ruled out with any certainty? Nope again. \*unless by some unearthly coincidence the friend who was with Jamie that night is a member of the boards and reading along. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/200 "2011-08-26T17:45:36Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Is it DUI or underage drinking? Regardless, I stand by my assertion that a BAC of .06 did not contribute to or cause Jamie’s accident. [From here.](http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/impaired/fact-sheet.shtml) > [@](#): > > The increased collision risk of drivers with a BAC from 0.05 to 0.08 (also known as the “warn range”) is well documented: > > ``` > * Drivers with a BAC above 0.05 but below the legal limit are 7.2 times more likely to be in a fatal collision than drivers with a zero BAC. > * In 2005, 16.7% of drinking drivers killed in Ontario had a BAC less than 0.08. > > ``` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050.md?page=11)