# JamieMcGarry - Wheel yourself on down here **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050 "2011-08-25T16:11:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/121 "2011-08-26T03:20:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If you ever quote _Patch Adams_ at me again, I swear to God I will ban you. God loves you for this. I met the real Patch Adams and he is an unimaginable douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/122 "2011-08-26T03:29:08Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > As far as I know, his being paralyzed isn’t a disability caused by any injury sustained from the crash. It was because a doctor fucked up. I mean, I want to keep pissing on **Jamie** , but let’s piss on him for the right reasons. He had a ruptured aorta. According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but I’m not willing to do deeper research on the matter) “[morbidity and mortality rates for surgical repair of the aorta for this condition are among the highest of any cardiovascular surgery. For example, surgery is associated with a high rate of paraplegia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_aortic_rupture)”. So it seems that this is a reasonably common and well-known complication of the surgery that was necessary to save his life. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/123 "2011-08-26T03:35:38Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > He had a ruptured aorta. According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but I’m not willing to do deeper research on the matter) “[morbidity and mortality rates for surgical repair of the aorta for this condition are among the highest of any cardiovascular surgery. For example, surgery is associated with a high rate of paraplegia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_aortic_rupture)”. So it seems that this is a reasonably common and well-known complication of the surgery that was necessary to save his life. By all means, let’s ask him to open his mouth then. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/124 "2011-08-26T03:53:28Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > He had a ruptured aorta. According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but I’m not willing to do deeper research on the matter) “[morbidity and mortality rates for surgical repair of the aorta for this condition are among the highest of any cardiovascular surgery. For example, surgery is associated with a high rate of paraplegia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_aortic_rupture)”. So it seems that this is a reasonably common and well-known complication of the surgery that was necessary to save his life. IANADorL, and none of us know any of the specifics except for Jamie’s side of the story, but such a high morbidity/mortality rate is all the more reason for the doctor to foresee the potential problems, and use all the tools at his disposal to provide the optimal standard of care. From what we know, he didn’t. But since this is the Pit… Jamie, you’re being a litigious and vindictive asshole in the matter of this ADA complaint. Drop it, and try to live life without such a huge persecution complex. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/125 "2011-08-26T04:28:48Z")
With respect to causation of an injury (not commenting on anything specific to facts here), subsequent medical malpractice is considered foreseeable in certain circumstances. For instance, if person A causes person B to have an automobile accident and person B needed surgery as a result of the accident wherein a doctor leaves a sponge in person B during the surgery, person A can potentially be responsible for damage caused by the retained sponge. What that means in an instance where person A causes injuries to himself as a result of drunk driving is up to your interpretation…but let’s just put it this way, Jamie would not want me on his jury in the malpractice action. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/126 "2011-08-26T04:33:58Z")
I don’t see why it matters _how_ someone ended up in the hospital. The doctors have nothing to do with that. The doctors have responsibility for what they do to you while you’re under their care. That’s their job, that’s what they’re supposed to be highly educated and trained for, that’s what they’re well paid for. They should _always_ be held fully responsible for any genuine fuckups. If some other party might be held responsible in _addition_ is perhaps another matter, but it seems crazy to suggest that incompetent surgeons should be let off the hook because of some event that they had nothing to do with. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/127 "2011-08-26T04:37:34Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I don’t see why it matters _how_ someone ended up in the hospital. The doctors have nothing to do with that. The doctors have responsibility for what they do to you while you’re under their care. That’s their job, that’s what they’re supposed to be highly educated and trained for, that’s what they’re well paid for. They should _always_ be held fully responsible for any genuine fuckups. Legally, it kinda’ does. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/128 "2011-08-26T04:43:49Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > Legally, it kinda’ does. Note that your account describes a previous actor being held responsible (you didn’t say _solely_) for a later, consequent result–not the later actor being _relieved_ for responsibility for something he _did_. The former makes a kind of sense, the latter not at all. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/129 "2011-08-26T04:52:12Z")
Do we know if Jamie actually won a malpractice lawsuit, or did he settle? Because if the latter, it would fit a pattern I’m seeing… ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/130 "2011-08-26T05:04:41Z")
🙂 > [@chiroptera](#): > > I lost any shred of respect I had for jamiemcgarry after I PM’d him to apologize for being, perhaps, insulting in a recent thread of his. Prior to that exchange I was willing to accept him as a gadfly, someone who believed in something strongly enough to take an unpopular stance. > > His response was the same old wide-eyed passive-aggressive bullshit he pulls on the forums: You misunderstand my posts, I’m a well-meaning innocent and people either misunderstand me or _gasp_ react in a hostile and baffling way to my polite, well-meaning questions. > > Also he suggested that I no longer open any of his posts, since I was clearly prejudiced, had my mind made up about him before I even opened his thread, and misunderstood his poor innocent self. > > I didn’t respond to his last whining little PM to me. His tone in his private messages to me was whining and predictable, with not a shred of acknowledgement that I was trying to make nice. > > He’s a passive-aggressive, weak little troll in a wheelchair, and was no doubt a passive-aggressive, weak little troll when he was still able to walk. Fuck you, jaimemcgarry. No wonder you still live with mommy and daddy in Davison. Below is a copy of the conversation chiroptera and I had via PM. I am not in the habit of posting private messages but I feel I had to in this instance. Chiroptera is being dishonest. You all can read my words for yourselves. I stopped reading this BBQ thread after reading her post here. This is disgusting and I want no part in it. Re: Was I really rude to you in the Rite Aid thread? * * * Quote: Originally Posted by chiroptera Thanks for responding. Perhaps I (and many other people) did misunderstand the point of your post…that’s why I asked questions. I think I’ve only responded to two of your threads? That one & the one about the mad dad with the kid. It’s a public message board you’re posting to though, and I am a paying member; I can open any thread I want. The response is much appreciated though and I’m glad you didn’t think I was insulting you! I may have missed whatever your point was, but I’m not in the habit of being mean to people. Hve a good one. Quote: Originally Posted by jamiemcgarry Quote: Originally Posted by chiroptera There are at least two threads in ATMB directed at Czarcasm for his handling of that thread (one started by me.) Was what I posted pit-worthy or really personally insulting? Wasn’t my intent, if so. Since I asked Czarcasm publically for his opinion, it occured to me that your opinion would be more relevant. Thanks! I’m sorry, I’ve been trying to stay out of the back and forth resulting from all that, so I’m a bit uninformed of all that has been going on. Are you referring to your comment about “why would I even post another ‘me against the big bad world’ thread” or something to that effect? If that is what you are talking about, I’d say no, I didn’t really take that as insulting or deroggatory, but, I did take it as a complete misreading of what I posted (and why I posted it). That thread had nothing to do with any (perceived or otherwise) slight against me or any kind of hardship I might feel I have to deal with as a result of the ignorance of people. That was about the parking transgressions of others. It seems to me that you go into reading any thread of mine with preconceived notions or preformed opinions. If that is the case, I would just ask you to not open my threads at all. I wasn’t trying to say you didn’t have the right to open, or comment on, any thread you wished. All I was saying was if you think you are going to read my thread in a negative light, why bother opening it in the first place. That was all.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/131 "2011-08-26T05:15:40Z")
just a quick fyi to chiroptera: I live alone in Davison, where I am a homeowner. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/132 "2011-08-26T05:31:51Z")
Posting the contents of a PM is against the rules. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/133 "2011-08-26T05:35:24Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Posting the contents of a PM is against the rules. [No it’s not.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11650330#post11650330) > [@TubaDiva](#): > > Although it’s called a “private” message, remember that once it is sent, the sender has no more control over its further use and distribution than he or she would a public posting on the message board. There is no guarantee of privacy in these messages, and you assume the risk that any PM you send might be made public by the recipient. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/134 "2011-08-26T05:42:48Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > [No it’s not.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11650330#post11650330) Huh, I stand corrected. When did that change? (It did change, right? Maybe I’m thinking of another forum’s rule…) Well, in that case, now I’m gonna have to post that PM that Cecil sent me revealing his true identity! ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/135 "2011-08-26T05:46:43Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Huh, I stand corrected. When did that change? (It did change, right? Maybe I’m thinking of another forum’s rule…) I think you’re thinking of another forum. I haven’t heard of any PM War- maybe it was a minor battle during the Cuntwar. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/136 "2011-08-26T06:53:24Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > I lost any shred of respect I had for jamiemcgarry after I PM’d him to apologize for being, perhaps, insulting in a recent thread of his. Prior to that exchange I was willing to accept him as a gadfly, someone who believed in something strongly enough to take an unpopular stance. > > His response was the same old wide-eyed passive-aggressive bullshit he pulls on the forums: You misunderstand my posts, I’m a well-meaning innocent and people either misunderstand me or _gasp_ react in a hostile and baffling way to my polite, well-meaning questions. > > Also he suggested that I no longer open any of his posts, since I was clearly prejudiced, had my mind made up about him before I even opened his thread, and misunderstood his poor innocent self. > > I didn’t respond to his last whining little PM to me. His tone in his private messages to me was whining and predictable, with not a shred of acknowledgement that I was trying to make nice. > > He’s a passive-aggressive, weak little troll in a wheelchair, and was no doubt a passive-aggressive, weak little troll when he was still able to walk. Fuck you, jaimemcgarry. No wonder you still live with mommy and daddy in Davison. Perhaps the conversation copied in this manner is easier to follow: her first PM to me, followed by my first reply. Then her second PM, with my follow-up PM after it. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200804](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200804) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200839](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200839) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200846](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200846) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200847](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200847) ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/137 "2011-08-26T06:56:17Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#): > > Chiroptera is being dishonest. I…don’t think that word means what you think it means. Your exchange contains exactly what she said it did. You did say you were misunderstood, you did say she appears prejudiced against you to read your posts negatively, and you did suggest she not open them in the future. Does her description of the interaction include her perception of how you came across? Yes. But that doesn’t make her inaccurate or dishonest… IOW, she didn’t ‘put words in your mouth’ or imply you said something you clearly didn’t. Though why I’m bothering if you’re done with the thread I have no idea.. ---
**Author:** ![Pitchmeister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pitchmeister/32/3459_2.png) [@Pitchmeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pitchmeister)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/138 "2011-08-26T08:01:01Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#): > > Perhaps the conversation copied in this manner is easier to follow: her first PM to me, followed by my first reply. Then her second PM, with my follow-up PM after it. > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200804](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200804) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200839](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200839) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200846](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200846) > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200847](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=200847) These can’t be viewed unless we’re you. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/139 "2011-08-26T09:52:49Z")
I don’t see any dishonesty here; I asked politely if I’d come across rudely, you said no but I misiunderstood you (Apparently many people misunderstand you), had preconceived notions about what you said, and you asked me not to open any of your threads. Which is _exactly_ what I said in the Pit post, just in stronger language and with my honest opinion - that you’re a passive-aggressive twat. To the best of my recollection I have posted in only two of your threads. In the [mad dad threa](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=619227&highlight=wheelchair)d I was quite nice, compared to many other respondents. In the thread where [Czarcasm admonished me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=621483), I asked you some questions which you declined to answer and mused why you kept posting about incidents when surely by now you know that most people are going to tell you you’re acting like a jerk. > [@](#): > > I stopped reading this BBQ thread after reading her post here. This is disgusting and I want no part in it. Oh good. Glad I struck a nerve. :rolleyes: PS my apologies for saying you lived with your parents. I was going by the mad dad thread. I don’t tend to read your threads because I now realise they’re predictable and I don’t think you are really that interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/140 "2011-08-26T10:18:27Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > I asked you some questions which you declined to answer and mused why you kept posting about incidents when surely by now you know that most people are going to tell you you’re acting like a jerk. He ain’t acting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050.md?page=8)