# JamieMcGarry - Wheel yourself on down here **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 25, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050 "2011-08-25T16:11:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/141 "2011-08-26T11:27:05Z")
> [@jamiemcgarry](#): > > 🙂 > Below is a copy of the conversation chiroptera and I had via PM. I am not in the habit of posting private messages but I feel I had to in this instance. Chiroptera is being dishonest. You all can read my words for yourselves. I stopped reading this BBQ thread after reading her post here. This is disgusting and I want no part in it. > Re: Was I really rude to you in the Rite Aid thread? > > * * * > > Quote: > Originally Posted by chiroptera > Thanks for responding. > > Perhaps I (and many other people) did misunderstand the point of your post…that’s why I asked questions. > > I think I’ve only responded to two of your threads? That one & the one about the mad dad with the kid. It’s a public message board you’re posting to though, and I am a paying member; I can open any thread I want. > > The response is much appreciated though and I’m glad you didn’t think I was insulting you! I may have missed whatever your point was, but I’m not in the habit of being mean to people. > > Hve a good one. > Quote: > Originally Posted by jamiemcgarry > Quote: > Originally Posted by chiroptera > There are at least two threads in ATMB directed at Czarcasm for his handling of that thread (one started by me.) > > Was what I posted pit-worthy or really personally insulting? Wasn’t my intent, if so. Since I asked Czarcasm publically for his opinion, it occured to me that your opinion would be more relevant. > > Thanks! > > I’m sorry, I’ve been trying to stay out of the back and forth resulting from all that, so I’m a bit uninformed of all that has been going on. Are you referring to your comment about “why would I even post another ‘me against the big bad world’ thread” or something to that effect? > > If that is what you are talking about, I’d say no, I didn’t really take that as insulting or deroggatory, but, I did take it as a complete misreading of what I posted (and why I posted it). That thread had nothing to do with any (perceived or otherwise) slight against me or any kind of hardship I might feel I have to deal with as a result of the ignorance of people. That was about the parking transgressions of others. It seems to me that you go into reading any thread of mine with preconceived notions or preformed opinions. If that is the case, I would just ask you to not open my threads at all. > > I wasn’t trying to say you didn’t have the right to open, or comment on, any thread you wished. All I was saying was if you think you are going to read my thread in a negative light, why bother opening it in the first place. That was all.🙂 Oh, good. A giant wall of text all about YOU and how you’re being persecuted. NOW I find you interesting! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/142 "2011-08-26T11:36:26Z")
Jamie, there are things you can do for your fellow man that are more important than being a parking lot vigilante. Number one is this- print out every one of your threads and make yourself an appointment with a therapist. You have way too much anger inside of you and you need to find a healthy way to purge yourself of it. This isn’t good for you or anyone else. Life is far too short to get an aneurysm every time you see a car parked in a handicapped spot. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/143 "2011-08-26T11:49:29Z")
Fancy’s himself Rick Hansen. He ain’t, not by a long, long shot, and never, ever will be. He’s not a crusader for anything, he’s just a bitter, aggressive, asshole who’s hobby is battling. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/144 "2011-08-26T12:14:51Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Okay, so I need to pull my money out of real estate and invest in vagina futures? Yes: put your money in vaginas. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/145 "2011-08-26T13:18:36Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I don’t see why it matters _how_ someone ended up in the hospital. Because driving drunk shows that the pre-injury Jamie dealt the same type of callous disrepect of other people’s lives and needs that he shows after the accident. It’s even worse than that, of course - at least (as far as we know) Jamie didn’t take any innocent people out with him when he had his accident. In short: _Had he not made the **decision** to be a drunk driver, he wouldn’t be paralyzed._ Suing the doctor is nothing more than a transferance of guilt, a transferance he shouldn’t be allowed to make. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/146 "2011-08-26T13:42:00Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Because driving drunk shows that the pre-injury Jamie dealt the same type of callous disrepect of other people’s lives and needs that he shows after the accident. > > It’s even worse than that, of course - at least (as far as we know) Jamie didn’t take any innocent people out with him when he had his accident. > > In short: _Had he not made the **decision** to be a drunk driver, he wouldn’t be paralyzed._ Suing the doctor is nothing more than a transferance of guilt, a transferance he shouldn’t be allowed to make. Has it been confirmed that he was drunk? I don’t believe it has, just that he had been drinking. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Freakin_Back_Is_Killing_Me)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/147 "2011-08-26T13:51:17Z")
He hasn’t confirmed it exactly but in the post linked to in #88 Jamie says: **JamieMcGarry** : Yes, alcohol was present in my system at the time of the accident. While not the determining factor in the accident, my blood levels were 0.06, if I were to be honest, I would have to consider this in the possibilities of what caused the accident ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/148 "2011-08-26T13:52:06Z")
As much as I dislike the target of the OP, I still must say that regardless of the reason for his visit to a doctor, the doctor still had the responsibility to treat him competently. If the doctor was negligent, then the doctor is open to a legitimate suit for malpractice. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/149 "2011-08-26T13:52:34Z")
> [@My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](#): > > He hasn’t confirmed it exactly but in the post linked to in #88 Jamie says: > [QOUTE=JamieMcGarry] Yes, alcohol was present in my system at the time of the accident. While not the determining factor in the accident, my blood levels were 0.06, if I were to be honest, I would have to consider this in the possibilities of what caused the accident.[/qoute] .06 is within the legal limit. Granted he was 20 years old, and under the legal age. But drunk driving was most certainly not the cause of the accident. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/150 "2011-08-26T13:53:45Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > As much as I dislike the target of the OP, I still must say that regardless of the reason for his visit to a doctor, the doctor still had the responsibility to treat him competently. If the doctor was negligent, then the doctor is open to a legitimate suit for malpractice. Exactly. I do not understand how anyone could think differently on this point. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Freakin_Back_Is_Killing_Me)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/151 "2011-08-26T13:56:32Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > .06 is within the legal limit. Granted he was 20 years old, and under the legal age. But drunk driving was most certainly not the cause of the accident. How have you determined this to be so, when even Jamie says that he can’t rule it out? \*\*\*And excuse the technical difficulties, I took a phone call at work and was destracted. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/152 "2011-08-26T14:01:39Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > Exactly. I do not understand how anyone could think differently on this point. I agree, however, I do wonder if malpractice was actually found to have occurred by the court - or if Jamie threatened to sue and took a settlement. Big difference. The doctor may have done everything as competently as any doctor possibly could, but would rather settle with the squeaky wheelchair guy than see his (already expensive) malpractice insurance premiums rise and go through a lengthy court case. Jamie - Could you shed any light on this? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/153 "2011-08-26T14:02:46Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > .06 is within the legal limit. Granted he was 20 years old, and under the legal age. But drunk driving was most certainly not the cause of the accident. It’s not within the legal limit if one is under the legal age to imbibe. The legal limit for individuals in his jurisdiction, as has been noted by another poster earlier in this thread, is zero. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/154 "2011-08-26T14:03:11Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > In short: _Had he not made the **decision** to be a drunk driver, he wouldn’t be paralyzed._ Suing the doctor is nothing more than a transferance of guilt, a transferance he shouldn’t be allowed to make. I was speaking of the responsibility of the doctors, not any moral judgment of Jamie. Some people are getting stuck on their visceral reaction to the intoxicated driving. Saying _if person A hadn’t done this then this later action by B wouldn’t have happened_ is a pointless and arbitrary exercise. There is _always_ a preceding action by somebody else. Every single thing that happens to you in your entire life is at some level the product of countless prior choices by other people. Other than congenital conditions, most people in hospitals are there as a consequence of some decision of their own, as well–to go bicycling without a helmet, to eat fatty foods, to mine coal, to have unprotected sex, to watch TV instead of exercising. Whatever. Judge them for those if you like. None of that has anything to do with the _doctors’_ responsibility for what _they_ do. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/155 "2011-08-26T14:04:31Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Yes: put your money in vaginas. Indeed. Put your money where your mouth is. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/156 "2011-08-26T14:12:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > It’s not within the legal limit if one is under the legal age to imbibe. The legal limit for individuals in his jurisdiction, as has been noted by another poster earlier in this thread, is zero. Classic harping over technicalities. I love it. The point is that a BAC of .06 has not been deemed to be legally drunk. The reason why he was over the limit was his age, not because his alcohol consumption had rendered him legally intoxicated. > [@Peremensoe](#): > > Other than congenital conditions, most people in hospitals are there as a consequence of some decision of their own, as well–to go bicycling without a helmet, to eat fatty foods, to mine coal, to have unprotected sex, to watch TV instead of exercising. Whatever. Judge them for those if you like. > > None of that has anything to do with the _doctors’_ responsibility for what _they_ do. Hopefully this will be the last time anyone has to say this. Can we _please_ get back to discussing what an enormous douche mcgarry is? Many thanks. ---
**Author:** ![My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@My\_Freakin\_Back\_Is\_Killing\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/My_Freakin_Back_Is_Killing_Me)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/157 "2011-08-26T14:12:46Z")
To clear up any confusion my point was not that the doctor should’nt be held responsible for his actions. If the doctor did screw up, Jamie should be compensated. My point was addressed to **Really Not All That Bright** , specifically, when he (or she?) was trying to excuse Jamie from any responsibility at all by saying he was young and stupid and didn’t **deserve** to be paralyzed. Of course he doesn’t, no one does, but you can’t divorce the fact that he did something really irresponsible, which almost killed him, from the fact that he is now paralyzed. It’s unfortunate, and most of us hope that when we do something stupid, the consequences will be in proportion to our actions, but sometimes they are not. If Jamie had walked away from this accident and his passanger was injured and eventually paralyzed in the same manner, I think the reaction would be different here. > [@Peremensoe](#): > > I was speaking of the responsibility of the doctors, not any moral judgment of Jamie. Some people are getting stuck on their visceral reaction to the intoxicated driving. > > Saying _if person A hadn’t done this then this later action by B wouldn’t have happened_ is a pointless and arbitrary exercise. There is _always_ a preceding action by somebody else. Every single thing that happens to you in your entire life is at some level the product of countless prior choices by other people. > > Other than congenital conditions, most people in hospitals are there as a consequence of some decision of their own, as well–to go bicycling without a helmet, to eat fatty foods, to mine coal, to have unprotected sex, to watch TV instead of exercising. Whatever. Judge them for those if you like. > > None of that has anything to do with the _doctors’_ responsibility for what _they_ do. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/158 "2011-08-26T14:24:55Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Classic harping over technicalities. I love it. The point is that a BAC of .06 has not been deemed to be legally drunk. The reason why he was over the limit was his age, not because his alcohol consumption had rendered him legally intoxicated. But it still has an effect on driving .[Cite.](http://www.cdc.gov/Motorvehiclesafety/Impaired_Driving/bac.html) And drivers of commercial vehicles are [legally drunk at .04 %](http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm) ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/159 "2011-08-26T14:29:47Z")
Ah, so we are going to continue harping on this asinine point. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050/160 "2011-08-26T14:38:15Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > He had a ruptured aorta. According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but I’m not willing to do deeper research on the matter) “[morbidity and mortality rates for surgical repair of the aorta for this condition are among the highest of any cardiovascular surgery. For example, surgery is associated with a high rate of paraplegia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_aortic_rupture)”. So it seems that this is a reasonably common and well-known complication of the surgery that was necessary to save his life. > [@voltaire](#): > > IANADorL, and none of us know any of the specifics except for Jamie’s side of the story, but such a high morbidity/mortality rate is all the more reason for the doctor to foresee the potential problems, and use all the tools at his disposal to provide the optimal standard of care. From what we know, he didn’t. I don’t know where you ( **voltaire** ) get this. **Meyer6** ’s link indicates that these complications occur frequently _even when the emergency surgical team is using “all the tools” and all possible professional skills._ A patient with massive trauma including a (likely) crushed chest containing a ruptured aorta doesn’t just have that chest cracked open and the blood vessel sutured up like zipping your fly. Just keeping the patient alive takes significant attention and effort, part of which is clamping that major vessel, otherwise the patient can bleed out in minutes. Getting everything else under enough control to allow for repair of the vessel takes some time. In this case it took so much time that the patient’s nervous system suffered trauma from oxygen deprivation. But we have no reason to believe that the time delay was not completely necessary. Had the clamp not been affixed he would be dead instead of paralyzed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jamiemcgarry-wheel-yourself-on-down-here/594050.md?page=9)