# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/221 "2022-06-11T19:45:27Z")
That they will. But then, why didn’t the Dems go after more Republicans? Why are they “singling out” the ones who sought pardons? Maybe because it was those Republicans who broke the laws? Honestly, if people can’t think their way through that – and @nelliebly’s post indicates that many can’t – then we are already too far gone. But we’ll never know for sure unless we try. I agree with @enipla. If analysis shows the outcome is uncertain, then err on the side of doing the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/222 "2022-06-11T20:45:46Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > The one moron testified that trump ordered him to the Capitol and, after all that trump did for him, it was the least he could do. I wonder if, in the unedited interview, he gives examples of what exactly trump did for him. Trump made it okay to be as racist and bigoted and vicious as he wants to be, to let his hate for Those People to blossom. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/223 "2022-06-11T21:58:25Z")
Yes, the US was over the moment Trump was elected, as I said back then there is no coming back from this. I’ll go as far to say that the civil war already started when MAGA tried to install Trump as dictator. The hearings now are just wishful thinking, I believe the people conducting them think we can actually go back. Trump won’t be indicted but I agree that MAGA is going to escalate, they think they will win. I think they don’t truly understand what it will be like, and it won’t go they way they think it will. I’m just glad I’m 50 years old with no kids. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/224 "2022-06-11T22:43:26Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I’m just glad I’m 50 years old with no kids.- Yup. I’m glad I’m 73 years old with no kids. Also no nieces or nephews. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/225 "2022-06-11T22:48:32Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > every last skerrick of evidence A Merrick Skerrick, you might say. > [@](#): > > That puts the DOJ in the horrible spot of having to decide if they will indict active members of Congress for any part they played. So… Rep. Josh Hawley? Senator Mike Lee? Senator Tommy Tuberville? Think those guys and their supporters are going to go quietly into the night? A well-aimed taser says that they will. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/226 "2022-06-12T00:38:10Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Yes, the US was over the moment Trump was elected, as I said back then there is no coming back from this. Dictatorships often don’t last long. [India once had one that only lasted 21 months.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emergency_(India)) ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/227 "2022-06-12T01:01:06Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Trump won’t be indicted but I agree that MAGA is going to escalate, they think they will win. I think they don’t truly understand what it will be like, and it won’t go they way they think it will. Agree with you there, although maybe not as you mean it. January 6 wasn’t a coup attempt, as shown by lack of military involvement. It was an attempted revolution. And I can’t think of any revolution that went the way the revolutionaries thought it would go. The French Revolution only lasted four years from abolition of rhe nobility to the Thermidorian reaction. The American Revolution was meant to give us dignified rule by propertyholding elites, but quickly led to universal white male sufferage. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/228 "2022-06-12T02:27:39Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > Order Garland to prosecute Trump. If Garland refuses fire him and appoint a different AG. Biden is smart than that. He knows it would be monumentally stupid for the President to order his AG to prosecute his predecessor. Now, if _Congress_ asks him to bring changes, then “katie bar the door”. So Joe needs Congress to show that charges are needed. As boboy sez > [@bobot](#): > > It ain’t Biden’s place to do that. Seriously, that’s the kind of shit Trump would do. So Garland did prosecute at this point. Then it would go to a jury. Which would be a hung jury, then trump would be vindicated as he was the two times they tried to Impeach him. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > He gets people to trust him and do things for him. It doesn’t matter how many people he has thrown under the bus, how many of his previous businesses have gone bankrupt, or how many times he takes the money and runs, he will always be able to convince people that the next time will be different. He got the Rust belt to believe he’d get them back their crappy factory and mining jobs- which is impossible. > [@The\_Librarian](#): > > The rank and file are in it for the racism\*, The NRA is in there for their guns, the Evangelicals are there to ban abortion… all sorts of weird fringe groups. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It seems to be that the DOJ has fully succumbed to the gaslighting, they seem to be doing a better job of going after Democratic political actors while protecting Republicans than Trump’s DOJ. I hope it is the job of the Dept of JUSTICE to prosecute all crooks, regardless of their party affiliations. Quite a few Jan 6 guys have been prosecuted, and now Congress is gonna go after the leaders. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > o date, the DOJ has prosecuted over 800 participants in this far-reaching coup. In keeping with how these cases are generally prosecuted, you start at the bottom and work your way up. > > This is exactly what DOJ is doing. They scooped up many of the Capitol invaders and are looking for more. Then they moved on to the people that paved the way into the Capitol, the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys. Right. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/229 "2022-06-12T02:47:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’m hoping all of the WY Dems go out and vote for her. She may be a bastard, but she ain’t a crazy bastard. P.J. O’Rourke said this about Hillary: _“I am endorsing Hillary, and all her lies and all her empty promises,” O’Rourke continued. “It’s the second-worst thing that can happen to this country, but she’s way behind in second place. She’s wrong about absolutely everything, but she’s wrong within normal parameters.”_ > [@enipla](#): > > The right thing would be to throw his ass in prison and deal with it. We do need this crazy little thing called a “trial” first. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/230 "2022-06-12T03:10:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I hope it is the job of the Dept of JUSTICE to prosecute all crooks, regardless of their party affiliations. This is probably an exaggeration but is still relevant: [The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day.](https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229) We probably all break the law from time to time, and not just speeding, even if not every day or week. I’d say it’s their job to prosecute crooks who are both among the worst offenders and where conviction is likely. DJT meets the first criteria only. If the career prosecutors say Trump meets normal criteria for an indictment, then a political appointee like Garland shouldn’t block it. But such an inditement will, I fear, help Trump’s 2024 chances. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/231 "2022-06-12T03:41:51Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > The American Revolution was meant to give us dignified rule by propertyholding elites, but quickly led to universal white male sufferage. I’m not sure what the American Revolution was meant to give us, other than independence from Britain. Certainly plenty of people had (a lot of different) ideas of what would come afterward, and a lot of the differences between those ideas had to be hashed out between the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution, but a single coherent idea of American governance? Wasn’t there yet. I definitely agree with the concept that revolutions develop a logic of their own which drives them to different places than where they began. Heck, consider that the first Thirteenth Amendment proposed would have made slavery untouchable by the federal government in the states just four years before the actual Thirteenth Amendment abolished the institution for good. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/232 "2022-06-12T03:43:18Z")
The American Revolution was a bunch of rich White guys who didn’t want to pay their fair share of taxes for the support that allowed them to become rich. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/233 "2022-06-12T04:11:58Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I can’t think of any revolution that went the way the revolutionaries thought it would go. True, but your comparison is with revolutions that succeeded. Revolutions which don’t succeed are best termed a mutiny and they never go how the revolutionaries think it will go. Even to the extent in this case that the guys who won are letting the guys who lost keep their heads, even their right to vote. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/234 "2022-06-12T04:43:12Z")
Thomas McKean _was_ forced to live in hiding and wound up poverty-stricken. > **[The Price They Paid](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-price-they-paid/)** > > A popular essay outlines the fates of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, but many of its details are inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/235 "2022-06-12T05:11:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Thomas McKean _was_ forced to live in hiding and wound up poverty-stricken. Did you read the entire article you linked? Or are you just agreeing with him? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/236 "2022-06-12T05:26:55Z")
I don’t want to get into a hijack, but they were not al_l rich_. If that is the claim, then cite please. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/237 "2022-06-12T13:22:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He got the Rust belt to believe he’d get them back their crappy factory and mining jobs But all that took was lying, by just repeating their desires back to them, as a statement. “You want factories re-opened? I’ll re-open every factory! You want to mine more coal? I’ll mine more coal!” It doesn’t take a genius to do that, it just takes someone who doesn’t care about being a lying sack of shit. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/238 "2022-06-12T13:33:05Z")
I’m not making claims but the article you linked doesn’t disagree with you all that much. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/239 "2022-06-12T13:47:45Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > But all that took was lying, by just repeating their desires back to them, as a statement. “You want factories re-opened? I’ll re-open every factory! You want to mine more coal? I’ll mine more coal!” It doesn’t take a genius to do that, it just takes someone who doesn’t care about being a lying sack of shit. I think this is where DJT has been misunderstood. His narcissism and lack of introspection is so complete, he cannot fathom that there is something he can’t do. Also his complete and total ignorance of what a President is and can do. Add a very, very large dose of general stupidity, and I would say he wasn’t lying per-se. His narcissism does not allow him to see his failures as he flits from one to the next. IF he acknowledges that it was a failure, it was someone else’s fault. Not that that makes it any better. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/240 "2022-06-12T18:16:08Z")
Next hearing tomorrow, June 13 @ 10 AM. > **[Analysis | How to watch the Jan. 6 committee hearing and what to look for](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/06/january-6-committee-hearing-schedule-how-to-watch/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjYyMDc3NTgiLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjU1MDU3NDQ5LCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjU2MjY3MDQ5LCJpYXQiOjE2NTUwNTc0NDksImp0aSI6ImM0M2VmODc0LTcyZTgtNDM1OS04YTFjLTRlMzhhYzkwODk0MCIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIyLzA2LzA2L2phbnVhcnktNi1jb21taXR0ZWUtaGVhcmluZy1zY2hlZHVsZS1ob3ctdG8td2F0Y2gvIn0.Xt98TvLeUd7yCnnNLS4TkePbiqjbzVdihnWLgCrVamI&itid=gfta)** > > The House Jan. 6 committee's last scheduled public hearing will be Oct. 13. Here's what to expect. > … > **What are the next hearings’ dates and times?** > > The second hearing will be Monday [June 13] at 10 a.m. Eastern. There is also a hearing scheduled for Wednesday at 10 a.m. Eastern, and there could be even more next week. The committee hasn’t announced a formal schedule for the rest of the hearings, but there could be as many as eight in total through June, and possibly a final hearing in September — right before the November midterm elections. > > **How to watch** > > The committee [usually live-streams its hearings](https://january6th.house.gov/news/watch-live), and most major TV news stations aired Thursday’s hours-long hearing in full. Fox News was the [only major news network not to](https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/06/10/fox-cnn-networks-jan-6-hearing/?itid=lk_inline_manual_11). Future coverage plans by the networks have not been announced. > > The Washington Post will have anchored coverage and analysis before the hearings on [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAYUj3iwqLY)and [www.washingtonpost.com](http://www.washingtonpost.com).[C-SPAN will air all hearings in full.](https://www.c-span.org/)[CNN.com](http://CNN.com) will also [stream the hearings](https://www.cnn.com/), without requiring a cable subscription. > … Bold in original. * * * The rest of them. > [@JohnT](#): > > J6 hearing schedule: > … > June 15: 10am > June 16: 10pm > June 21: 10am > June 23: 8pm [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=13)