# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2463 "2022-10-18T18:04:01Z")
What is happening re trumpy’s subpoena? The silence is deafening. (Is this the correct thread for that question?) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2464 "2022-10-18T18:51:15Z")
Lawyers are telling him things. He is ignoring the lawyers. And throwing food on the walls. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2465 "2022-10-18T19:01:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What is happening re trumpy’s subpoena? The silence is deafening. Committee members are privately discussing how to handle the matter if Trump fails to comply with the subpoena once they issue it. I think they want to have a firm course of action set before proceeding further. Hence the delay. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2466 "2022-10-18T19:06:37Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Committee members are privately discussing how to handle the matter if Trump fails to comply with the subpoena once they issue it. I think they want to have a firm course of action set before proceeding further. Hence the delay. I would have thought, with the gravity of this request, they would have already covered that? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2467 "2022-10-18T19:21:39Z")
I think the committee should consult the SDMB. They should come here, open a thread, and ask for suggestions about how to drag/manipulate/trick that MF into testifying. Goodness knows, we have put more person-hours into analyzing TFG than any and all gummint sources rolled into one. Or they should just go full-on crowd-sourcing. Like when a new baby giraffe is born at the zoo and all the media outlets solicit ideas for a name for the baby. Liz Cheney should just open the question to the public at large (if there is such a thing, as someone said here today) and let people some up with suggestions. Two-hundred-millions head are better than, um, a _few_. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2468 "2022-10-18T23:05:09Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > > [@Aspenglow](#): > > > > Committee members are privately discussing how to handle the matter if Trump fails to comply with the subpoena once they issue it. I think they want to have a firm course of action set before proceeding further. Hence the delay. > > I would have thought, with the gravity of this request, they would have already covered that? I agree. This particular suggested explanation for the delay seems unlikely to be true–how could it be that the Committee members never bothered to think through how they’d handle Trump’s probable responses until _now_??? ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2469 "2022-10-19T03:02:53Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > They should come here, open a thread, and ask for suggestions about how to drag/manipulate/trick that MF into testifying. Bad idea. They would quickly get sucked into arguing about airplanes on treadmills, the ethics of circumcision, and which cover was better than the original. They would never get around to scheduling the next committee meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2470 "2022-10-19T04:39:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Committee members are privately discussing how to handle the matter if Trump fails to comply with the subpoena once they issue it. I think they want to have a firm course of action set before proceeding further. Hence the delay. I’m not all that convinced that Trump won’t testify. Trump’s wet dream is to go on live TV and stand up to his accusers (“Unselect! Unfair!”), so the whole country can see them quail in the face of Trump’s brilliance and rhetoric. No reasonable person would do it, but when has that ever stopped Trump? The devil, as they say, will be in the details. Will Trump testify behind closed doors, or on live TV; will he be sworn in, or not? I’d kinda like to see the Committee make a deal for him to give unsworn testimony, and as soon as the cameras are turned on they bring out a bible and ask him to swear to tell the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2471 "2022-10-19T04:53:06Z")
There is zero chance the Committee will permit Trump to testify in public without first deposing him in private. Trump will never agree to that, and everyone knows this. Time runs short for the Committee; they are 9 individuals with limited staff who are faced with what to do with people who blew off their subpoenas; they’re still running down tips and leads; have a 1,000+ page final report to prepare – and all before the end of the year. Their plates are very full already. AIUI, they issued the subpoena mostly for the sake of history, and to prevent Trump from saying he was never given an opportunity to tell his side of the story. (Bearing in mind, of course, that he was never prevented from coming to testify on his own initiative to present that.) I wouldn’t get your hopes too high for a live testimony spectacle. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2472 "2022-10-19T09:04:29Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I’d kinda like to see the Committee make a deal for him to give unsworn testimony, and as soon as the cameras are turned on they bring out a bible and ask him to swear to tell the truth. Only if the bible is upside down though. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2473 "2022-10-19T13:26:00Z")
> [@CaveMike](#): > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > They should come here, open a thread, and ask for suggestions about how to drag/manipulate/trick that MF into testifying. > > Bad idea. They would quickly get sucked into arguing about airplanes on treadmills, the ethics of circumcision, and which cover was better than the original. They would never get around to scheduling the next committee meeting. This reply made my morning. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2474 "2022-10-19T14:34:13Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I’m not all that convinced that Trump won’t testify. Trump’s wet dream is to go on live TV and stand up to his accusers (“Unselect! Unfair!”), so the whole country can see them quail in the face of Trump’s brilliance and rhetoric. No reasonable person would do it, but when has that ever stopped Trump? Just as an aside, I’ve started referring to disgraced twice-impeached former president Trump as disgraced twice-impeached former _un-president_ Trump. ETA: seems like there should be a “so-called” in there somewhere too. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2475 "2022-10-19T14:36:38Z")
From the moment he was elected, and all through the Clusterfuck threads, I referred to him as the “so-called president.” (He didn’t get a capital “P” in president either. I didn’t start to capitalize the word again until Biden was elected.) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2476 "2022-10-19T14:40:28Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Committee members are privately discussing how to handle the matter if Trump fails to comply with the subpoena once they issue it. I think they want to have a firm course of action set before proceeding further. Hence the delay. What’s to discuss? If he doesn’t comply, do what they did to Steve Bannon. Arrest him. Put him on trial for contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2477 "2022-10-19T16:03:55Z")
#45 with an \*, emphasis on the ass. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2478 "2022-10-19T16:07:13Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What’s to discuss? If he doesn’t comply, do what they did to Steve Bannon. Arrest him. Put him on trial for contempt The [procedure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress#Procedures) is that the committee has to report a resolution of contempt to the full house, and the house has to vote to hold the person subpoenaed in contempt. You really think the full house is going to do that after the GOP takes over? So this procedure would have to proceed quite quickly - in spite of whatever delays the witness manages to throw into the process - or not at all. Once all that happens, the DC US Attorney would need to follow through. This is assuming a statutory contempt proceeding. There’s also civil and inherent contempt options, though the latter hasn’t been done in 90 years. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2479 "2022-10-19T18:39:51Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > > [@CaveMike](#): > > > > Bad idea. They would quickly get sucked into arguing about airplanes on treadmills, the ethics of circumcision, and which cover was better than the original. They would never get around to scheduling the next committee meeting. > > This reply made my morning. +1. Completely agree. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2480 "2022-10-19T19:08:55Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Only if the bible is upside down though. I’ve studied that photo and I think it wasn’t upside down after all. The spine is not visible and there was a purple ribbon marker sticking out of the bottom. I think it was one of those rare Bibles with no _Holy Bible_ imprint on the cover. However upside down or not i small potatoes the the rest of the incident. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2481 "2022-10-19T20:32:00Z")
I think this is new: > [@](#): > > Former President Donald Trump signed legal documents describing evidence of election fraud that he knew were false, a federal judge indicated on Wednesday. > > U.S. District Court Judge David Carter wrote in an 18-page opinion that emails from attorney John Eastman, an architect of Trump’s last-ditch effort to subvert the 2020 election, needed to be turned over to the Jan. 6 select committee. Those emails, Carter wrote, “show that President Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public.” > > The emails are among the files that Eastman had been declining to turn over to the committee, citing attorney-client privilege. While Carter concluded that some of the materials fell under that privilege, he ruled that Eastman must disclose four emails to congressional investigators because they are evidence of a likely crime. > **[Judge: Trump signed court document that knowingly included false voter fraud...](https://news.yahoo.com/judge-trump-signed-court-document-193103813.html)** > > Former President Donald Trump signed legal documents describing evidence of election fraud that he knew were false, a federal judge indicated Wednesday. Not a great week to be Big Orange. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2482 "2022-10-19T20:45:54Z")
Here a link to the actual ruling. I’m always surprised and frustrated at how many news stories about these court filings don’t link to the actual document. > **[gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.372.0.pdf](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840/gov.uscourts.cacd.841840.372.0.pdf)** > > 227.73 KB [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=123) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=125)