# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 125
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2483 "2022-10-19T20:54:30Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2484 "2022-10-19T20:56:21Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > I’ve started referring to disgraced twice-impeached former president Trump as disgraced twice-impeached former _un-president_ Trump. I saw a cartoon of a man and boy riding in an elevator currently at the 46th floor, with the upper caption _“New York City, 2075”_ and the lower caption, _“Dad, how come buildings don’t have 45th floors?”_ ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2485 "2022-10-19T21:25:37Z")
Also from that ruling via CNN: > For eight of the 500-plus Eastman documents the judge was examining, the judge said that the materials could be released because they fit in the so-called **crime-fraud exception** , which allows disclosure of otherwise privileged materials if the communications were related to or in furtherance of illegal or fraudulent conduct. > > Four of the documents were from email threads discussing prospective election litigation. In them, Carter wrote, “Dr. Eastman and other attorneys suggest that – irrespective of the merits – the primary goal of filing is to delay or otherwise disrupt the January 6 vote.” My bolding. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2486 "2022-10-19T21:43:32Z")
Lots of good quotes in this ruling: > For eight of the 500-plus Eastman documents the judge was examining, the judge said that the materials could be released because they fit in the so-called crime-fraud exception, which allows disclosure of otherwise privileged materials if the communications were related to or in furtherance of illegal or fraudulent conduct. > > Four of the documents were from email threads discussing prospective election litigation. In them, Carter wrote, “Dr. Eastman and other attorneys suggest that – irrespective of the merits – **the primary goal of filing is to delay or otherwise disrupt the January 6 vote**.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2487 "2022-10-19T21:44:43Z")
Quotes so nice, they appeared twice! Guys I’m kind of wondering… is it a good thing if a federal judge indicates that you committed a crime long before a prosecutor does? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2488 "2022-10-19T23:12:48Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > There is zero chance the Committee will permit Trump to testify in public without first deposing him in private. Trump will never agree to that, and everyone knows this. > > Time runs short for the Committee; they are 9 individuals with limited staff who are faced with what to do with people who blew off their subpoenas; they’re still running down tips and leads; have a 1,000+ page final report to prepare – and all before the end of the year. Their plates are very full already. > > AIUI, they issued the subpoena mostly for the sake of history, and to prevent Trump from saying he was never given an opportunity to tell his side of the story. (Bearing in mind, of course, that he was never prevented from coming to testify on his own initiative to present that.) > > I wouldn’t get your hopes too high for a live testimony spectacle. 100% agree. Trump will never be deposed by the Committee under oath, nor will he testify in public under oath. If the GOP takes the House, there may be a good chance that they will invent some sort of Truth-To-American Committee, which will give him a platform to perform on—NOT under oath, needless to say. So we have _that_ to look forward to. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2489 "2022-10-19T23:20:27Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I saw a cartoon of a man and boy riding in an elevator currently at the 46th floor, with the upper caption _“New York City, 2075”_ and the lower caption, _“Dad, how come buildings don’t have 45th floors?”_ [![](https://preview.redd.it/s1pumcbzhdw51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7cf6510ea370374eb306638827d2d1e2dc49ea0b) ](https://preview.redd.it/s1pumcbzhdw51.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=7cf6510ea370374eb306638827d2d1e2dc49ea0b) ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2490 "2022-10-20T02:11:31Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I’ve studied that photo and I think it wasn’t upside down after all. > > The spine is not visible and there was a purple ribbon marker sticking out of the bottom. I think it was one of those rare Bibles with no _Holy Bible_ imprint on the cover. You’re right - I always thought it was upside-down, but here’s a clear image from the Boston Globe web site: [![](https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/XU5U_phm2KLomnciN28Qlcdv1Uo=/1024x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/AN6I5DHOKRJPMNGJNIPJQ2KHN4.jpg) ](https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/XU5U_phm2KLomnciN28Qlcdv1Uo=/1024x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/AN6I5DHOKRJPMNGJNIPJQ2KHN4.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2491 "2022-10-20T03:24:10Z")
And the spine is visible in that picture. Looks like “Holy Bible” on the top - or at least two words ending in “-LY” and “LE” - and then three words top-to-bottom below that - quite probably “Revised Standard Version”, though most of Trump’s evangelical followers would probably prefer the New International or - dare I say it? - the King James version. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2492 "2022-10-20T04:29:10Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > You’re right - I always thought it was upside-down, but here’s a clear image from the Boston Globe web site: Doesn’t really matter. Either way, he’s never actually opened and read the thing. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2493 "2022-10-20T05:02:48Z")
To get that picture he had to violate a lot of people’s civil rights. That’s one of his pending suits, right? Him and his motley crew that walked across Lafayette Square all need to be sued back to the stone age. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2494 "2022-10-20T09:14:32Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Doesn’t really matter. Either way, he’s never actually opened and read the thing. He might have opened it but only to use the leaves as an ass-wipe, like he has to the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2495 "2022-10-20T12:24:05Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Doesn’t really matter. Either way, he’s never actually opened and read the thing. Well, it is awfully full of, you know… _words_ an’ all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2496 "2022-10-20T13:46:34Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > To get that picture he had to violate a lot of people’s civil rights. That’s one of his pending suits, right? Is it? I must have lost it in the shuffle. Can you remind me who’s suing him? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2497 "2022-10-20T13:56:29Z")
That’s why I was asking. Maybe I was confusing it with one of his other problems. But if he _isn’t_ sued for it, I’d like to know the reason why. Maybe civil rights violations just look cute next to everything else. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2498 "2022-10-20T14:10:54Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > To get that picture he had to violate a lot of people’s civil rights. That’s one of his pending suits, right? One of the iDJiT’s lapdogs got it dismissed. > **[Federal Officials Can't Be Sued For Clearing Protesters Near White House,...](https://www.npr.org/2021/06/22/1009025302/federal-officials-cant-be-sued-for-clearing-protesters-near-white-house-judge-sa)** > > A District Court judge has dismissed claims that former White House officials conspired to forcibly remove peaceful protesters last year from Washington, D.C.'s Lafayette Square. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2499 "2022-10-20T14:28:12Z")
They made it sound like trump’s photo-op right after clearing the square was just a coincidence! That they were already illegally clearing the square of peaceful protesters before CFSG’s posse showed up. It wasn’t planned at all! Christ! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2500 "2022-10-20T15:38:11Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@Biffster](#): > > > > Doesn’t really matter. Either way, he’s never actually opened and read the thing. > > Well, it is awfully full of, you know… _words_ an’ all. And where are the pictures? And the fawning praise of him? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2501 "2022-10-20T16:13:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > What is happening re trumpy’s subpoena? In today’s WaPo (gift link). > **[Trump’s Jan. 6 subpoena is expected soon. But what happens next?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/20/trump-jan-6-committee-subpoena/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjYyMDc3NTgiLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjY2MjgyMzQ1LCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjY3NDkxOTQ1LCJpYXQiOjE2NjYyODIzNDUsImp0aSI6Ijc1ZTk5ZTIxLWQwNWEtNGFiNC1iNzYwLWFkYzI3NTEyNmIyNiIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIyLzEwLzIwL3RydW1wLWphbi02LWNvbW1pdHRlZS1zdWJwb2VuYS8ifQ.zO9BdtUdGTD8lfWx56g6gLhCEByG-0qi3J8elmwlKHg&itid=gfta)** > > The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack could issue a subpoena for Donald Trump, wading into what could be a prolonged, unprecedented legal battle. > … > If Trump resists [the subpoena](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/13/house-january-6-hearing-trump/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4), the committee faces a number of hurdles in compelling him to comply that could ultimately end in a constitutional showdown, according to legal experts and congressional counsel with experience in congressional oversight and investigations. > > Trump has told advisers that he’d potentially be willing to testify live before the committee, according to people familiar with his thinking who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. But in a 14-page response to the committee last week, Trump declined to say whether he’d cooperate with the subpoena and instead repeated false claims of fraud in the 2020 presidential [election](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5) — baseless allegations that fueled the attack on the U.S. Capitol. > > Some on his legal team privately have said allowing their client to testify in any capacity would be a mistake. And multiple advisers say they don’t actually expect him to go through with testifying. > … IOW blahblahblah. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2502 "2022-10-21T17:48:46Z")
subpoena has been sent. “that you personally oversaw” deadlines: 4 nov. for documents, 14 nov for testimony. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=124) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=126)