# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/241 "2022-06-12T20:59:29Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Next hearing tomorrow, June 13 @ 10 AM. Should we continue this thread for all these hearings, or should we start a new “Sing-Along” thread for each hearing? What do the Dopers here think? (I think it will be better to start a new thread for each hearing.) ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/242 "2022-06-12T21:28:21Z")
I think a new thread for each gets messy. A lot of our comments will cover more than one day of hearings, and discussions of particular interviews and evidence will continue for a few days. We’ll end up with multiple threads all active and people posting randomly depending on which they see first. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/243 "2022-06-12T21:53:49Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I think a new thread for each gets messy. A lot of our comments will cover more than one day of hearings, and discussions of particular interviews and evidence will continue for a few days. I agree with this. Plus in terms of moderation, it will be a lot easier to keep track of just one thread instead of multiples. I’m open to hearing why it would be better to have multiples, though. Threads. I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/244 "2022-06-12T21:56:59Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > A lot of our comments will cover more than one day of hearings, and discussions of particular interviews and evidence will continue for a few days. We’ll end up with multiple threads all active and people posting randomly depending on which they see first. Yeah, okay, I get this. **TroutMan** is right. One thread to rule them all! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/245 "2022-06-12T21:58:48Z")
If it’s helpful, I’m happy to add a staff notice at the top of the beginning of discussion for each new hearing segment. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/246 "2022-06-12T22:02:11Z")
Maybe add a staff notice at the very top of the thread for each new hearing segment? So anyone can easily find the beginning of each? (Or, we could just search by the date.) Kind of like putting a table of contents at the start. Just how much work is @Aspenglow willing to put into this? Maybe summarize all the discussion, Cliffs-Notes style for us? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/247 "2022-06-12T22:03:51Z")
I also vote for one thread! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/248 "2022-06-12T22:04:18Z")
LOL, not that much. 😉 I was thinking a staff notice that says something like "Discussion for the hearing held on (date) begins here.) Or like that. I plan to watch all of them, so should be able to add the staff notices reasonably timely. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/249 "2022-06-12T22:20:21Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Maybe summarize all the discussion, Cliffs-Notes style for us? 🙂 No, no-- good grief! That’s too much work for @Aspenglow! Heck, we’d have to add several more zeroes to what we’re paying her now! Hehe. 🤑 I agree with one continuous, ongoing thread. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/250 "2022-06-12T23:46:05Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Heck, we’d have to add several more zeroes to what we’re paying her now! That raise would be pretty sweet, though. 😉 Here’s something that seems on point: > **[Jan. 6 panelists: Enough evidence uncovered to indict Trump](https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-adam-schiff-government-and-politics-presidential-elections-d87892379e7e81c2907edef81a3b2b86)** > > Members of the House committee investigating the U.S. Capitol riot say they’ve uncovered enough evidence for the Justice Department to consider an unprecedented criminal indictment against former President Donald Trump for seeking to overturn the... Nothing ambiguous at all about where they’re headed. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2022, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/251 "2022-06-12T23:48:03Z")
One thread does make sense given that discussion will inevitably use bits from different days in the same post. (If we quickly get over 1,000 posts, though, maybe break it into two pieces? Hearings 1, 2, and 3, and then another for 4, 5, and 6? A thought, anyway.) Liz Cheney in her opening speech during H1 gave an overview of the topics. Here are the dates, times (there is some disagreement on those; we shall see) and what Cheney said: **H1 - June 9 - 8pm** : Overview; live interviews with law enforcement officer and with the documentarian who covered Proud Boys actions on January 6. **H2 - June 13 - 10am** : “In our second hearing, you will see that Donald Trump and his advisors knew that he had, in fact, lost the election. But, despite this, President Trump engaged in a massive effort to spread false and fraudulent information – to convince huge portions of the U.S. population that fraud had stolen the election from him. … As you will see in great detail in these hearings, President Trump ignored the rulings of our nation’s courts, he ignored his own campaign leadership, his White House staff, many Republican state officials, he ignored the Department of Justice, and the Department of Homeland Security. President Trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false, and convincing millions of Americans that the election was corrupt and he was the true President. **As you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on January 6th**.” **H3 - June 15 - 10am** : “In our third hearing, you will see that President Trump corruptly planned to replace the Attorney General of the United States so the U.S. Justice Department would spread his false stolen election claims. … you will hear first-hand how the senior leadership of the Department of Justice threatened to resign, how the White House Counsel threatened to resign, and how they confronted Donald Trump and Jeff Clark in the Oval Office. … [Jeff Clark, Rep. Scott Perry, and] other Republican congressmen also sought Presidential Pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 election.” **H4 - June 16 - 1pm** : “In our fourth hearing, we will focus on President Trump’s efforts to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to refuse to count electoral votes on January 6th. … What President Trump demanded that Mike Pence do wasn’t just wrong, it was illegal and it was unconstitutional. You will hear this in great detail from the Vice President’s former General Counsel. … You will also hear about a lawyer named John Eastman. Mr. Eastman was deeply involved in President Trump’s plans. You will hear from former Fourth Circuit Federal Judge Michael Luttig, a highly respected leading conservative judge. … And you will hear that while Congress was under attack on January 6th and the hours following the violence, the Trump legal team in the Willard Hotel war room continued to work to halt the count of electoral votes.” **H5 - June 21 - 10am** : " In our fifth hearing, you will see evidence that President Trump corruptly pressured state legislators and election officials to change election results. You will hear additional details about President Trump’s call to Georgia officials urging them to “find” 11,780 voted – votes that did not exist, and his efforts to get states to rescind certified electoral slates without factual basis and contrary to law. … You will hear new details about the Trump campaign and other Trump associates’ efforts to instruct Republican officials in multiple states to create intentionally false electoral slates…" **H6 - June 23 - 8pm** : “In our final hearing, you will hear a moment-by-moment account of the hours-long attack from more than a half dozen White House staff, both live in the hearing room and via videotaped testimony. There is no doubt that President Trump was well aware of the violence as it developed. … Not only did President Trump refuse to tell the mob to leave the Capitol, he placed no call to any element of the U.S. government to instruct that the Capitol be defended.” As laid out by Cheney, the emphasis at every moment is to be _specific_ about the laws Trump violated, and to provide evidence as to those violations. > (My bolding; to show emphasis on highlighting the legal implications of Trump’s conduct.) =============== Cheney’s June 9 statement found at: > **[Read: Liz Cheney's opening statement at Jan. 6 select committee hearing](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/09/liz-cheney-jan-6-committee-full-statement-00038730)** > > Read Rep. Liz Cheney's full opening remarks. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/252 "2022-06-13T00:03:56Z")
Thanks for laying that out, **Sherrerd**. One of the of the more enjoyable posts I’ve read here in a while. From AP article: > [@](#): > > [Adam]Schiff, D-Calif., who also leads the House Intelligence Committee, said that ”there are certain actions, parts of these different lines of effort to overturn the election that I don’t see evidence the Justice Department is investigating.” I’m glad to see AS breathing down MG’s neck a little - why the hey not. Oh the dabbing will be heavy this June 21. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/253 "2022-06-13T00:14:33Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > **H4 - June 16 - 1pm** : “In our fourth hearing, . . . I’ve seen conflicting schedules published for the time of the June 16 (Thursday) hearing. Somewhere I saw 1pm, but somewhere I saw 10am like all the others. So we need to be sure to doublecheck that. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/254 "2022-06-13T01:49:01Z")
> [ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)[Member](https://boards.straightdope.com/g/Member) > > [Jun 11](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/224) > > > [@split\_p\_j](#): > > > > I’m just glad I’m 50 years old with no kids.- > > Yup. I’m glad I’m 73 years old with no kids. Also no nieces or nephews. Same here. Also glad I live in Massachusetts. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/255 "2022-06-13T04:26:14Z")
The Committee names the witnesses to appear at the Monday June 13 hearing: > **[Here are the witnesses appearing before the second Jan. 6 committee on Monday](https://www.rawstory.com/january-6-witnesses/)** > > The House Select Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on Congress revealed Sunday evening the full list of witnesses that will appear on Monday morning at 10 a.m. EST. > > Former Donald Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien was one of those known to... ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/256 "2022-06-13T05:00:19Z")
49 and childless. But in semi-rural Kentucky, so I hear a lot of Trump supporters on a daily basis. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/257 "2022-06-13T07:45:47Z")
I remember that Stepien dude from the Christie Bridge-gate scandal. I’m not sure he’s trust worthy. I have to work during the hearing today, but I’m recording it and will watch later. I hope the evidence starts to really pile up. The more people who see through the GOP/Trump bullshit, the better I will feel. Tamp down some of the “civil war” nonsense I’m seeing. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/258 "2022-06-13T11:23:50Z")
Here’s another article (this one at Washington Post) naming a bunch of witnesses to be called, with a sentence or two describing what each of them might talk about. However, this article does not say specifically which days each of them is expected to appear: > **[Analysis | How to watch the Jan. 6 committee hearing and what to look for](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/06/january-6-committee-hearing-schedule-how-to-watch/)** > > The House Jan. 6 committee's last scheduled public hearing will be Oct. 13. Here's what to expect. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/259 "2022-06-13T12:12:03Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > [Electoral Count Act reform](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-count-act-senators-agreement-electoral-college/). This needs to be the highest administration priority, other than foreign policy questions where there is nuclear war risk. Whatever compromises need to be made should be made to outlaw state legislatures from changing the rules for electoral college member selection after Election Day. So true. ---
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Bill Stepien has conveniently-timed “family emergency”. > **[Ex-Trump campaign manager will miss Jan. 6 hearing for family emergency](https://thehill.com/news/house/3521053-ex-trump-campaign-manager-will-miss-jan-6-hearing-for-family-emergency/)** > > Former Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien will no longer appear before the House Jan. 6 committee Monday, removing a key witness as the panel seeks to show how the Trump campaign forwarded baseles… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=14)