# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 131
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2603 "2022-12-20T04:10:51Z")
Thank you for the gift link. That makes for awesome reading. The accusations taken all together paint a picture of just reckless criminality. As such, it certainly implies that there has to be accountability if the concept of justice still holds in America. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2604 "2022-12-20T04:24:35Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Just from this intro material there are many lawyers that are going to need much better lawyers. It’ll be interesting to see if one of the reasons these much better lawyers are much better lawyers is because they know better to get involved in cases like these and risk tarnishing their record or worse, finding themselves in a position of putting their own licenses on the line. Trump clearly has a way of persuading people to see things from his point of view. It seems best to just not have anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2605 "2022-12-20T05:09:51Z")
Seriously! Just finished reading the bit about Jeff Clark. Whee doggies, how he didn’t get knocked out for insubordination, at the very least, is baffling. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2606 "2022-12-20T14:20:26Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > EVERYTHING Republicans do is to try to get re-elected and enrich themselves. That’s it. Nothing more. I tend to be awfully critical of Repubs, but surely you don’t suggest all/most Dems are unconcerned with re-election or immune to posturing? And even in my criticism of Repubs, I’d suggest SOME were motivated by intolerance, prejudice, etc at least as much as greed. I think it worthwhile to not overstate criticisms of Rs - there is PLENTY of legit fodder for criticism. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2607 "2022-12-20T15:40:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > In my view, the failure of the red wave was the first real indication we had that the January 6th Committee had done theirs. I believe it was their concerted efforts, against immense opposition from within their own ranks of Congress, that did more to persuade the American people what we are truly facing and how close we came to losing our democracy. This NY Times article agrees with you: [A Diminished Trump Meets a Damning Narrative](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/us/politics/trump-jan-6-committee-referral.html) > As the summer and the House Jan. 6 committee’s hearings began, former President Donald J. Trump was still a towering figure in Republican politics, able to pick winners in primary contests and force candidates to submit to a litmus test of denialism about his loss in the 2020 election. > > Six months later, Mr. Trump is significantly diminished, a shrunken presence on the political landscape. His fade is partly a function of his own missteps and miscalculations in recent months. But it is also a product of the voluminous evidence assembled by the House committee and its ability to tell the story of his efforts to overturn the election in a compelling and accessible way. > Guided by a veteran television executive, the committee sprinkled the story with moments that stayed in the public consciousness, from Mr. Trump throwing his lunch in anger against the wall of the dining room just off the Oval Office to a claim that he lunged at a Secret Service agent driving his car when he was denied his desire to join his supporters at the Capitol. > Mr. Trump still has a durable base of support within the party, though just how large it is at this point is up for debate after a handful of public polls have shown more Republican voters backing Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida as an alternative. Other potential candidates are also watching carefully, weighing their chances if they get into a race with a weakened Mr. Trump. > For many members of a party that would like to recover from three bruising election cycles, Mr. Trump has never felt more like a product of the past. > > “Ironically, this is not too different from a reality TV series that’s run its course,” Mr. Curbelo said. “And people are just kind of over it, even his supporters.” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2608 "2022-12-20T16:18:58Z")
Yes. I have no data to support this, but I think maybe a key moment for many voters was when they heard about how certain perfectly innocent poll workers were harassed and threatened to the point where their lives are diminished – forced to hide out, quit jobs, fear for themselves and their families – after Trump himself condemned them by name. I thought this brought the awfulness home – “that could have been me” – like nothing else did. (Maybe it’s just because I’m a poll worker myself). ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2609 "2022-12-20T16:20:53Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I tend to be awfully critical of Repubs, but surely you don’t suggest all/most Dems are unconcerned with re-election or immune to posturing? And even in my criticism of Repubs, I’d suggest SOME were motivated by intolerance, prejudice, etc at least as much as greed. The both sides do it analogy is quite tiring, and nothing but an excuse to commit crimes. After all, it I’m robbed, why shouldn’t I rob someone else? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2610 "2022-12-20T16:22:54Z")
Moderating: > [@Dinsdale](#): > > I tend to be awfully critical of Repubs, but surely you don’t suggest all/most Dems are unconcerned with re-election or immune to posturing? And even in my criticism of Repubs, I’d suggest SOME were motivated by intolerance, prejudice, etc at least as much as greed. > > I think it worthwhile to not overstate criticisms of Rs - there is PLENTY of legit fodder for criticism. > [@enipla](#): > > The both sides do it analogy is quite tiring, and nothing but an excuse to commit crimes. After all, it I’m robbed, why shouldn’t I rob someone else? Interesting discussion. Please take it elsewhere, as it does not belong in this thread. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2611 "2022-12-20T16:25:52Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I thought this brought the awfulness home – “that could have been me” – like nothing else did. > (Maybe it’s just because I’m a poll worker myself). I completely relate to this! I felt just the same. I never had to worry about crap like this during my time as an active elections worker, and it appalls and disgusts me that now, it’s a very real consideration for anyone who chooses to perform a civic duty. I’m very glad the Committee spent time focusing on this perversion by Trump of our elections process. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2612 "2022-12-20T18:09:38Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > This NY Times article agrees with you: > [A Diminished Trump Meets a Damning Narrative](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/us/politics/trump-jan-6-committee-referral.html) I feel like the Trading Card debacle was a terrible blunder, at the worst possible time. It made Trump look like such a buffoon, such an out of touch, low-class loser. All those tawdry, hyper-masculine images. This is like something Caligula or Michael Scott would have thought was cool. Truly cringey. All these damning accusations are being formalized right at a moment when people are suddenly starting to feel embarrassed to be associated with him. Not something that motivates an ardent defense ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2613 "2022-12-20T18:32:28Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > It made Trump look like such a buffoon, such an out of touch, low-class loser. Again. But maybe this time… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2614 "2022-12-20T19:00:05Z")
That was a product of having nothing but suckups in his inner circle. Not one person around him had the guts to tell him what a stupid idea that was or how it made him look like a lowlife grifter. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2615 "2022-12-20T19:03:00Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > My only question is whether they’re going to give Trump and others one last holiday with the family. Something of a moot point, as every day is a holiday for Trump as he celebrates the Festivus Airing of Grievances. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2616 "2022-12-20T19:17:22Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > This is like something Caligula or Michael Scott would have thought was cool. ![](https://media.tenor.com/jS1vK5ffVUwAAAAM/michael-scott.gif) “I declare these documents… DECLASSIFIED!!!” I know the comparison of Trump to Michael isn’t fair because even at his worst Mr. Scott was clueless rather than malicious, but there are some parallels. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2617 "2022-12-20T19:19:48Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I thought this brought the awfulness home – “that could have been me” – like nothing else did. > (Maybe it’s just because I’m a poll worker myself). That was certainly a hard-hitting moment. But I suspect a lot of damage was also done by the video outtakes from when he was trying to record his Jan 7 message. Actually seeing him, personally, whining about “I don’t want to say the election is over”, and stumbling over some pretty easy words, is hard to ignore, even if you’re trying. Everything else we’ve heard about him denying reality has come second-hand, but this was a primary source. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2618 "2022-12-20T19:24:16Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Actually seeing him, personally, whining about “I don’t want to say the election is over”, I have not seen this yet. Anyone have a link? It sounds like it would be fun to watch. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2619 "2022-12-20T19:25:32Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/7NrAPr8QFn0/maxresdefault.jpg "Never-Before-Seen #Outtakes Of Trump's Jan. 7 Speech") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NrAPr8QFn0) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2620 "2022-12-20T19:26:52Z")
fast fingers, susan! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2621 "2022-12-20T19:29:24Z")
Thank you! Trump should get 25 - 30 years in a supermax prison. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2622 "2022-12-20T19:29:53Z")
There’s a longer version, even more cringey fun! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/6KZhia3ZEeo/maxresdefault.jpg "Watch: Raw Footage Reveals Outtakes Of Trump’s Address The Day After Jan. 6") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KZhia3ZEeo) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=130) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=132)