# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/301 "2022-06-13T19:13:13Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Last week, [Fox News](https://www.theguardian.com/media/fox-news) was the only major outlet not to air the primetime hearing hosted by the House committee investigating the January 6 riot at the US Capitol. But for the committee’s daytime session on Monday, Fox plans to join the rest of the pack… Because today they could show the hearings without pre-empting Tucker & Hannity. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/302 "2022-06-13T19:14:59Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Well, let’s say that the Democrats present a largely evidence free trial that gives some soundbites and nice sounding quotes but doesn’t really include anyone who knows anything or anyone who was close to Trump. We can agree to disagree on the strength of the cases brought against Trump, but there’s no universe where I’ll believe 17 GOP senators would have voted to convict. > [@Horatius](#): > > Which just proves that these people have no honor or courage. They proved that when they backed him in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/303 "2022-06-13T19:40:45Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > there’s no universe where I’ll believe 17 GOP senators would have voted to convict. Likewise, I don’t believe that Ukraine will get Crimea back anytime soon but that doesn’t mean that there’s no value in putting in your best fight. Proving things has value. Whether a group of professional liars are willing to follow truth or not, be as it may, isn’t the start and end of the equation. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/304 "2022-06-13T20:00:10Z")
I really hope that the Justice folks go after finding where that $250 billion “fraud fund” disappeared to. Much of it went into Trump’s pocket, I’m sure, and continues to do so as he keeps yammering about fake voter fraud. Trump has always been adept at being a cheap huckster who preys on the gullible. I thought that today’s testimony was devastating and pointed to conspiracy and fraud. By the time they’re done, Justice should have plenty of ammunition for indictments. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/305 "2022-06-13T20:20:31Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I really hope that the Justice folks go after finding where that $250 billion “fraud fund” disappeared to. I think that’s million, not billion. Not that you couldn’t have a nice party with it. I’m wondering if and when Stephen Miller’s name will be brought forward. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/306 "2022-06-13T20:22:41Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I think that’s million, not billion. Right. My brain was thinking 1/4 billion and I wrote 250 billion instead. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/307 "2022-06-13T20:24:36Z")
Good question. No news about him for quite awhile. I figure he slithered back to his crypt somewhere at Mar-a-Lago and is quietly licking his eyebrows until he can resurface as DeSantis’s right hand Nazi. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/308 "2022-06-13T20:30:00Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I figure he slithered back to his crypt somewhere at Mar-a-Lago and is quietly licking his eyebrows until he can resurface as DeSantis’s right hand Nazi. He may be getting hair plugs. The spray paint didn’t work as well as Giuliani said it would. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/309 "2022-06-13T21:08:59Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > …quietly licking his eyebrows… 🤣 Okay, that made me laugh right out loud and startle the cat sleeping next to my elbow. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/310 "2022-06-13T21:13:08Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > oooh, bill barr is quite the witness. 2000 mules movie?!? Dinesh D’Souza claptrap. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/311 "2022-06-13T21:16:31Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > In general, I think his sister or cousin or whoever it was - the psychiatrist relative of his - was correct in saying that the guy suffers from sufficiently deep narcissism to effectively be classed as a mental case. Niece. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/312 "2022-06-13T21:24:13Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > 2000 mules movie?!? It’s a transparently preposterous conspiracy theory _and_ a cleanser a hundred times stronger than regular borax! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/313 "2022-06-13T21:34:43Z")
Favored by Ronald Reagan. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/sL_63W0UvPU/hqdefault.jpg "Ronald Reagan for Boraxo") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL_63W0UvPU) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/314 "2022-06-13T21:59:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Both impeachment trials failed because they refused to put the work in to find and present real, full, unquestionable evidence. No. A full and complete confession and solid video would not have gotten past McConnell Iron wall. It was pure party politics. Now if Mitch had been convinced that doing so would win the GOP elections, he would have thrown trump under the bus. > [@Akaj](#): > > Both impeachment trials failed because there weren’t 17 GOP senators willing to consider the evidence for five seconds. Neither they nor their constituents would have convicted Trump if he’d been caught on video handing Putin a stack of classified folders while simultaneously offering Georgia election officials a pallet of gold bars. Exactly. > [@Akaj](#): > > They proved that when they backed him in the first place. No. Many people backed trump in 2016 who had honor and bravery. But those dumped him in 2020. IMHO the idea of these hearings is to let Garland as AG say convincingly- _Congress made the case, so I am prosecuting._ Which they are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/315 "2022-06-13T22:25:58Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > A full and complete confession and solid video would not have gotten past McConnell Iron wall. Imagine that you and I were standing in the kitchen, with a group of people, at a party. There’s one sandwich left over, for the guests. I grab up that final morsel and I say: _Mr Deth, you cannot be trusted with this sandwich. You would steal it from me and eat it without ever offering me a bite. That being true, I shall eat it first without offering you any, so that you do not have the opportunity to be the thief that we both know that you are._ In the minds of all of the people watching, who has come out as the more trustworthy party in this matter? Have they been convinced that you’re a bad guy? Have they become convinced that I’m the good guy? Success comes in many forms. Getting Trump removed from office, to be sure, would have been great. But if you’ve rendered him politically toxic - even though he stays in office - that’s still a win. If you move 10% of the swing voters permanently over to your side, so that he could never mathematically win an election ever again, that’s still a win. Likewise, failure comes in many forms. One type of failure might be to fail to have Trump removed from office. An even greater failure is that not only do you fail to remove him from office, you give him more power by proving to the general public that he’s the maligned party and you’re the sort of bloke who would blame another guy for stealing sandwiches when you’re the clear and obvious sandwich stealer. Accusing someone of being a villain is counterproductive if it’s going to be the thing that saves the villain at every corner from ever having to prove himself a villain. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/316 "2022-06-13T22:29:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Many people backed trump in 2016 who had honor and bravery. But those dumped him in 2020. Or ceased being honorable and brave. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/317 "2022-06-13T22:50:35Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > how hard Fox “News” and their little clones push back against the Committee’s narrative and continue to support Trump. Their legal department is begging them to please shut up and air the hearings without comment. When the hearings get to the Dominion part, we should all send in viewer questions to ask them to explain that part. Nevermind that hour without commercials- this stuff is gonna bankrupt them: they can’t help themselves. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/318 "2022-06-13T23:21:27Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > without comment- FOX can’t _not comment_. They HAVE to comment. Comment is what they are all about. Their viewers don’t know (1) what they’re seeing or (2) what to think about it unless someone tells them. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/319 "2022-06-13T23:57:56Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Thanks for laying that out, **Sherrerd**. … Thank you; I did it as much for myself as anyone, as there is a LOT of conflicting information about the schedule out there. (As Senegoid mentioned and as I alluded to in the post to which you refer, it’s still not clear whether the Thursday, June 16 hearing begins at 10am or at 1pm.) Worse, there are now conflicting reports as to the total number of hearings. Some sources are saying “seven,” as seen on this NPR page: > [@](#): > > It wasn’t in prime time this time, but the Jan. 6 committee held an eyebrow-raising hearing Monday in its second of seven promised ones. Further into the article they say that AFTER today’s second hearing (Monday, June 13): > [@](#): > > There are five more hearings to come, including Wednesday and Thursday. But like the vast majority of online articles, this one provides NO list of dates (let alone starting times!) A Yahoo page claims that there are seven hearings total, but also that AFTER the first hearing there will be seven more: > [@](#): > > The seven subsequent hearings planned by the committee are each dedicated to what Cheney described as “a sophisticated seven-part plan” to remain in power. So far as I know, one plus seven gives eight, not seven. (No list of dates in this article either. Links for both of these citations at bottom of this post.) > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > From AP article: > > > [@](#): > > > > [Adam]Schiff, D-Calif., who also leads the House Intelligence Committee, said that ”there are certain actions, parts of these different lines of effort to overturn the election that **I don’t see evidence the Justice Department is investigating**.” > > … That is concerning. (My bolding.) > [https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104657476/recap-jan-6-committee-hearing](https://www.npr.org/2022/06/13/1104657476/recap-jan-6-committee-hearing) > **[Five takeaways on the Jan. 6 panel’s public case against Trump](https://www.yahoo.com/news/five-takeaways-jan-6-panel-130024614.html)** > > The Jan. 6 committee’s prime-time hearing was its opening argument in making its public case that former President Trump was at the center of a plot to remain in power. The two-hour hearing offered a ... ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/320 "2022-06-14T00:22:44Z")
MSNBC is providing a do-over of the hearings tonight, starting at 5PT, because, they specifically state, prime time viewing is critically important. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=17)