# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/361 "2022-06-14T16:57:00Z")
Yeah I wondered about that too. We all knew he’s a lush before. The only thing I could think of was to imply that everyone there who wasn’t plastered knew the numbers weren’t going to add up for the red team and to stress that the only guy Donald would listen to that night was drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/362 "2022-06-14T17:17:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If I’m honest, I’m not sure why this information was presented in the hearing, nor why everyone seems to care about it? It’s legal to get drunk, and it was a good day on which to do it. What’s the fuss? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > and **to stress that the only guy Donald would listen to that night was drunk**. Yeah, this. It makes it clear that Trump would only listen to people who were willing to feed into his lies, even if everyone else in the room knew that person was drunk off his ass. It’s one thing to weigh opinions from people who have legitimate different analyses, it’s something quite different to only listen to the one drunk guy. Would you be unconcerned if you found out Trump was making military decisions that were opposed by every general in the US military, _except_ for the one drunk guy who kept shouting, “Just nuke the bastards!”? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/363 "2022-06-14T17:21:44Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Would you be unconcerned if you found out Trump was making military decisions that were opposed by every general in the US military, _except_ for the one drunk guy who kept shouting, “Just nuke the bastards!”? I suspect that I could find a variety of Star Trek episodes where you’ve got Logic Man, Second in Command, the Doctor, etc. all telling the captain to do the reasonable, cold-hearted, and rational thing but the captain is swayed by one drunk, passionate person’s plea to be human and do the irrational, “right thing”. Not all of those Star Trek episodes do I agree with the writer, but some I do. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/364 "2022-06-14T17:24:40Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Would you be unconcerned if you found out Trump was making military decisions that were opposed by every general in the US military, _except_ for the one drunk guy who kept shouting, “Just nuke the bastards!”? Or the guy telling him to nuke the hurricanes. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/365 "2022-06-14T17:24:40Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Not all of those Star Trek episodes do I agree with the writer, but some I do. Listen To The Drunk Guy might make for good TV, but it makes for bad policy. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/366 "2022-06-14T17:25:06Z")
Not even good TV. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/367 "2022-06-14T17:27:49Z")
Churchill was a smart guy and a drunk. There’s no law that a drunk person can only be dumb. Trump isn’t a good person to make any choices. Giuliani is probably not the guy that you want on your side, whether he’s drunk or sober. Drunkness is unlikely to ever really help make someone smarter than they otherwise would be. But none of that leads to the idea that a drunk person **can’t** say the right thing at the right moment. It is, in theory, possible. Hard rules are bad rules. Every case needs to be considered on its own merit. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/368 "2022-06-14T17:36:17Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Just received this text… My mother has doubled down, continuing her support of Trump, the idea that the election was stolen, and the “murder” of Ashli Babbitt at the hands of the Capitol Police. My mother has gone down an online rabbit hole this past decade, and I hope to have her back some day. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/369 "2022-06-14T17:37:41Z")
“It’s a bit of a leading question. They followed up by asking, ‘Do you notice anyone that night who was maybe farting while leaking hair dye and ranting in front of a dildo shop? Anyone like that? Could be anyone. Take your time — think back.’” _— STEPHEN COLBERT, on Miller’s being asked if anyone was drunk on election night._ ---
**Author:** ![Tarataratara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Tarataratara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarataratara)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/370 "2022-06-14T18:04:18Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Does anyone else get creeped out when they show video clips of Jared and Ivanka in the hearings? I’m not sure if it’s their webcam or what, but there is something distinctly “uncanny valley” about those two. I have been wondering if Ivanka was using some sort of beauty filter on her camera. ---
**Author:** ![Tarataratara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Tarataratara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarataratara)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/371 "2022-06-14T18:09:00Z")
Here is the PBS stream if you still need it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jblC2Ooog2U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jblC2Ooog2U) ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/372 "2022-06-14T18:13:10Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > the DOT indictments and convictions that I pray follow > > 🤦‍♂️ DOJ, FFS! 🤦‍♂️ It’s a cute typo…But whether you prefer the DOT or the DOJ doesn’t really matter. Because in any case, NOTHING will come from these hearings. Remember the famous Mueller report which Rachel Maddow had us all breathlessly waiting for, smugly assuring us that it would assure the end of Trump? Which was then followed by another dozen or so additional “explosive, undeniable” accusations —reports by investigative journalists, tell-all-books by insiders , etc. Each of which was just so absolutely, positively going to be the end of Trump? And what were the results of 'em all? NOTHING Get used to the fact that Trump will be back in the white house in 2024 for four more years. The only use for these televised hearings will be a few decades from now, when some graduate student in a history department wants to write a thesis on the Trump era, and needs to verify some obscure details. . ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/373 "2022-06-14T18:14:35Z")
> [@Tarataratara](#): > > I have been wondering if Ivanka was using some sort of beauty filter on her camera. I wonder if she’s taken make-up lessons from Valeria Lukynova. [27 Surreal Photos Of Valeria Lukyanova, The Human Barbie Doll](https://allthatsinteresting.com/human-barbie-valeria-lukyanova#14) I’m going to comment on Ms. Cheney’s suit because someone has to. She should have stuck with darker shades like her first suit, that powder blue suit washed her complexion out. I don’t think she can wear red but I’ll bet she would look great in burnt rose or peachy gray. ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/374 "2022-06-14T18:14:51Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I suspect that I could find a variety of Star Trek episodes where you’ve got Logic Man, Second in Command, the Doctor, etc. all telling the captain to do the reasonable, cold-hearted, and rational thing but the captain is swayed by one drunk, passionate person’s plea to be human and do the irrational, “right thing”. I think it’s pretty well established that Trump was going to listen to anyone, no matter what his credentials or character, who would tell him that he won the election and/or that he could legally overturn the official results. I don’t think taking the advice of drunk people is a good idea, regardless of what may have happened in whatever Star Trek episode, but I don’t know that Giuliani being drunk adds much to what’s already known about the group of people who had Trump’s ear in the final months. What has not been established - and is almost certainly untrue - is that Trump himself knew that he lost the election. There is a lot of evidence that he _should_ have known that he lost, but zero evidence that he actually did. The testimony of numerous insiders who turned on him over this matter is consistent in this regard. As someone remarked earlier, Trump’s capacity for self-delusion is vast, and his grasp on reality is weak. Any normal person would know that he lost, but Trump is far far removed from any normal person. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/375 "2022-06-14T18:20:43Z")
These hearings will have a hard time penetrating the hard hollow skull of a committed Trumper. Their most important effect may be on the apathetic Republicans who would just keeping pulling the party lever otherwise. Every one of them that can be convinced to vote for a non-Trump candidate in a primary or just stay home in the general, or on some outside chance vote for a Democrat, will aid in taking down this attack on the country. Trump was given power by the Republicans in congress, taking down his support there, making association with him political poison, will remove that power from him. At that point we are likely to see a flurry of anti-Trump laws allegedly to prevent this from happening again, but in reality they will have no more teeth than the old ones because congress avoids making laws that would hold the government responsible for it’s actions. Unfortunately that is the best that we will get. To find the worst of the Trumpists, the traitors who supported our enemies, expressly hated our country and sought to overthrow the government, will suffer no consequences, and continue to plot and look for a new charismatic leader someday. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/376 "2022-06-14T18:27:07Z")
> [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](#): > > What has not been established - and is almost certainly untrue - is that Trump himself knew that he lost the election. There is a lot of evidence that he _should_ have known that he lost, but zero evidence that he actually did. The testimony of numerous insiders who turned on him over this matter is consistent in this regard. There is no such thing as such evidence. Even if he stated out loud that he lost the election he would say he was repeating bad information. A reasonable person can conclude from the evidence that Trump knew he lost the election. And of course he would never say the words, that’s how conmen work, he will state to his dying day that he won that election. That doesn’t change the reality that he ignored the loss of every legal challenge to the vote counts and sought to overthrow the government to stay in power. That’s how we know that he knew that he lost the election. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/377 "2022-06-14T18:48:55Z")
> [@Tarataratara](#): > > I have been wondering if Ivanka was using some sort of beauty filter on her camera. If so, it didn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/378 "2022-06-14T18:54:41Z")
I agree that DJT did not know he lost the election. He should have known, but he chose to keep his mind shut. The committee has established that the non-drunk, non-crazy segment of his inner circle told him he lost but not that he understood it. When you’re both dumb as a sack of hammers and crazy as a loon, what you know is impossible to prove. As for Ivanka’s appearance, I was a little creeped out. She looked like an apparition more than a person- I don’t know if it was the lighting or the makeup or the background, but she looked spooky as hell. It doesn’t matter but you’d think that the committee would have better video capabilities. I am not quite so pessimistic as chappachula is above. The Mueller Report failed because (1) Mueller felt bound by the DOJ memo that you could not prosecute a sitting president and (2) Billy Barr gave a false summation of the report which was the only available information about it for several days. I do not believe he could be elected again as Democratic voters will be more highly motivated to vote against him in 2024 than they were in 2020, plus there is a chance he will be prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/379 "2022-06-14T19:24:17Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It doesn’t matter but you’d think that the committee would have better video capabilities. Pretty sure she and Jared were testifying from their home (same backdrop) from their personal webcam. Nothing the committee could do to change that. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/380 "2022-06-14T19:29:32Z")
> [@JaneDoe42](#): > > > [@Tarataratara](#): > > > > I have been wondering if Ivanka was using some sort of beauty filter on her camera. > > I wonder if she’s taken make-up lessons from Valeria Lukynova. [27 Surreal Photos Of Valeria Lukyanova, The Human Barbie Doll](https://allthatsinteresting.com/human-barbie-valeria-lukyanova#14) > > I’m going to comment on Ms. Cheney’s suit because someone has to. She should have stuck with darker shades like her first suit, that powder blue suit washed her complexion out. I don’t think she can wear red but I’ll bet she would look great in burnt rose or peachy gray. I like her glasses, though. I’ve got a thing for dark blue eyeglass frames, when I wore glasses I had navy blue metal frames, so much better than brown or black, especially with blue eyes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=20)