# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/801 "2022-06-24T15:51:17Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Today – on the heels of both a ‘more guns’ SC decision and the upending of _Roe v Wade_ ? > [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’m not thinking that they abandon the Republican party, only that they abandon Trump. Exactly. No matter how hard the committee and DOJ come down on Trump and his immediate circle, it won’t make a difference if it doesn’t paint the entire Republican party as complicit in giving those people power to begin with. It will be far too easy for voters to think that, once the rotten apples have been punished, they can vote GOP with a clean conscience. ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/802 "2022-06-24T16:54:17Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I honestly don’t know. > > On Monday, I may have agreed with you. > > But today ? Today – on the heels of both a ‘more guns’ SC decision and the upending of _Roe v Wade_ ? Idunno. I don’t think we would ever see any significant change in positions regarding guns and abortion as a result of these hearings, so I consider these developments to be irrelevant in that regard. The point isn’t to get Republicans to stop supporting Republican wedge issues, the point is to steer Republicans away from unwittingly allowing our democracy to be threatened. Donald Trump has nothing to do with these decisions beyond being lucky enough to have won an election. All of the nominations he made would have been made by any other Republican. There is nothing so special about Trump that would make these legal decisions excuse the illegal decisions he made regarding the election. Gun control and women’s rights can be fixed as long as we still have the democratic process in place. It’s the democratic process itself that is in the most dire need of protection now. ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/803 "2022-06-24T16:56:48Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > No matter how hard the committee and DOJ come down on Trump and his immediate circle, it won’t make a difference if it doesn’t paint the entire Republican party as complicit in giving those people power to begin with. > > It will be far too easy for voters to think that, once the rotten apples have been punished, they can vote GOP with a clean conscience. This explains a lot of the Republican anger at Liz Cheney. Because many Republicans see the goals of the Committee much as you describe, and Cheney as being an accomplice to those goals. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/804 "2022-06-24T17:04:19Z")
> [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](#): > > … the goals of the Committee … The goals of the committee are to bring to light potential crimes committed up to and including Jan. 6. Full stop. The committee wasn’t convened to spotlight the GOP’s complicity – but that complicity should be obvious to anyone with eyes, ears and a functioning brain. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/805 "2022-06-24T17:27:49Z")
> [@Dahnlor](#): > > I don’t think we would ever see any significant change in positions regarding guns and abortion as a result of these hearings, so I consider these developments to be irrelevant in that regard. > > The point isn’t to get Republicans to stop supporting Republican wedge issues, the point is to steer Republicans away from unwittingly allowing our democracy to be threatened. That’s not really what I’m saying, though. Assuming, arguendo, that there are some people who might possibly abandon their plan to vote for Trump again if he is on the ballot in the General (ie, vote for the nominee of another party or do not vote at all). Assuming that some of those people may be questioning a preference for Trump based on what they are learning from the J6 hearings. My argument is that some % of those people may simply snap back to “any Republican that gets the nomination, _including_ Trump” based on the recent decisions regarding guns and abortion. For them it brings home that Trump and the Republicans represent me and my values and are the only thing standing between me and … well … I laid it out [**here**](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-wrong-with-democrats/955842/64). IOW: I believe that some people may have been swayed, _if only a little_ by the J6 hearings thusfar. I also – sadly – believe that they may be coming “back home to their party” based on a solid gun victory (as they see it) and a solid pro-life victory (as they see it). And while I agree with the logic of the arguments that a couple of you have made, I would also argue that it’s irrelevant. IMHO, anybody who’s still leaning heavily toward voting for Trump – should he be the nominee – is simply not operating on anything even remotely resembling logic – at least not as I understand it. IMHO, we’re back to “you cannot use reason to talk somebody out of something that they didn’t use reason to believe in the first place.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/806 "2022-06-24T20:11:07Z")
I can’t help but wonder if the Committee had a heads-up that the SCOTUS _Roe v. Wade_ ruling was coming down today. If they did, then apart from needing the time to sort through all the new evidence coming to them, they would have known this ruling was going to interrupt their momentum. Good call to defer further hearings for a few weeks, if true. I think folks will tune back in when they resume. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/807 "2022-06-24T20:55:58Z")
Iirc, the timeline was the USSC added today as an opinion day on Thursday morning… > **[Supreme Court adds this Friday as day for issuing opinions](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/supreme-court-adds-this-friday-as-day-for-issuing-opinions-2022-06-22)** > > The Supreme Court has added this Friday as a day when it plans to issue opinions, after earlier just listing Tuesday and Thursday as opinion issuance days... And the decision to delay the hearings and add extra days was also made Thursday morning: > So… maybe. But not likely. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/808 "2022-06-24T21:38:17Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Listening to it, there’s a delay between the television and radio-I wonder why? Internet lag - I switched to Hulu from Google TV (because Google TV was wonderful (if pricey) and so Google dropped it). Watching the Chiefs vs Bengals while on a Zoom call with the family, and the ones not watching on Hulu were a good 20 seconds in front of me - I knew we’d lost before it showed up on the screen. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/809 "2022-06-24T21:43:35Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > The English construct “either \_\_\_\_\_ or \_\_\_\_\_” has a different meaning in formal logic, versus everyday colloquial usage. In colloquial usage, it means “one or the other but not both”. In formal logic, it means “one or the other _or both_”. I generally use (and see) “Clueless and/or criminal” to cover the formal logic “or”. ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/810 "2022-06-25T00:53:38Z")
Can’t you take them on a drive and get lost, or break down, until the polls have closed? Vote first thing in the morning yourself, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/811 "2022-06-25T01:28:05Z")
Listen…that’s just crazy enough to work! ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/812 "2022-06-25T23:35:00Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > I hope you meant “Not _prosecuting_ Trump…” I don’t believe in persecuting anyone. There’s always an exception. 🤡 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/813 "2022-06-26T22:54:43Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > While we’re in recess, does it strike anyone as odd that the name cards say (for example) “Honorable Rosen”? Shouldn’t it be “Hon. Mr. Rosen”? I don’t like the “Hon. Rosen” name-card convention either. (Possibly they did it that way to maximize the size of the font, so that it would show up for people watching the hearings on their phones…?) ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/814 "2022-06-27T03:33:52Z")
I suggested in another recent thread that we should use the Japanese honorifics: Rosen-san, Donoghue-san, Engel-san, Thompson-san, Cheney-san, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/815 "2022-06-27T04:41:39Z")
That is brilliant, Senegoid-san! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/816 "2022-06-27T04:43:36Z")
The subject of discussion in that other thread was the problem of gender-specific honorifics, and I pointed out that these Japanese honorifics are gender neutral. That’s why we need to adopt them. ETA: Although, for purposes of the immediate point, note that “Hon.” is gender neutral too. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/817 "2022-06-27T15:42:15Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I suggested in another recent thread that we should use the Japanese honorifics: Rosen-san, Donoghue-san, Engel-san, Thompson-san, Cheney-san, etc. I would suggest the ‘O’ honorific be used but then they would sound Irish – O-Rosen. O-Donoghue, O-Engel… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/818 "2022-06-27T16:28:51Z")
The problem is that any “Hon.” tag on a Republican would be a blatant lie. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/819 "2022-06-27T17:22:55Z")
New hearing scheduled on 24 hours’ notice for tomorrow, June 28th, at 1:00 p.m. EDT. Sounds pretty explosive, from what’s being speculated about on the news. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/820 "2022-06-27T17:26:05Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The problem is that any “Hon.” tag on a Republican would be a blatant lie. Well, not ALL Republicans apparently. Some Republicans involved in this committee (e.g., Liz, Kinz, and many of the witnesses) behaved honorably, at least in the end, politically conservative though they may be. Take Rusty Bowers, for example. He voted for Trump, and said he would vote for him again, yet the refused to cheat for Trump and was willing to testify about it. I think that’s sufficiently “Honorable”, and more so than a lot of Repubs these days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=42)