# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1101 "2022-06-28T20:50:05Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Wait, first he appeared to abandon his followers and let them go to the Capitol and face consequences for their actions all by themselves, and they did not care. So now it looks like he “tried” to go with them but was stopped, and now they are embracing him harder? If Trump took a shit on their faces, they would call him “generous” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1102 "2022-06-28T20:51:03Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > If you want to take the Fifth, you must take the Fifth for ALL questions, not just some of them. I am reminded of this scene: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ZzXhLp2wLQo/hqdefault.jpg "Deny Everything") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzXhLp2wLQo) ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1103 "2022-06-28T20:53:44Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I was trying to balance my checkbook. My problem is that I wasn’t even trying. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1104 "2022-06-28T20:56:24Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > mogul I am amused at the double entendre here. He’s a mogul in the sense of business tycoon, and he’s a mogul as in a big lump in the way of forward progress. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1105 "2022-06-28T20:59:58Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > The general BS account I hear is that Nancy (not sure why Mitch doesn’t get blamed as well) should have had more Capital Police on hand at the beginning. She did not have authority over them. > **[Fact check: Nancy Pelosi wasn't ‘in charge’ of Capitol Police on Jan. 6](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/)** > > The U.S. Capitol Police are overseen by a number of entities and individuals, none of whom are U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Just to reiterate; it doesn’t matter whether she did enough or not, she didn’t call the shots. Other people had authority over the police. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1106 "2022-06-28T21:00:37Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Just to reiterate; it doesn’t matter whether she did enough or not, she didn’t call the shots. Other people had authority over the police. Just another Republican Lie. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1107 "2022-06-28T21:07:09Z")
I’m glad I was able to **ketchup** with everything that happened. Very grateful for the commentary and notes provided here! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1108 "2022-06-28T21:12:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Headline now on Fox News website: > " [Trump lunged at Secret Service agent after being told he couldn’t go to Capitol on Jan 6, ex-aide says] Has anyone tried yet to spine this along the lines of “Trump was really so worried about the the rule of law he wanted to go the Capitol so he could personally fight to protect Congress while Nancy cowered in a bunker?” I feel like I’m channeling Kate McKinnon’s impression of Kellyanne Conway now. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1109 "2022-06-28T21:13:06Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Anyone able to point to a concise primer of where this might lead? What crimes might what bodies charge whom with? They’re doing a pretty thorough job of showing a conspiracy to overturn the election, if not overthrow the government. It’s up to the DOJ, of course, to determine what (if any) charges are brought, and against whom. There would now seem to be a case for suborning perjury of witnesses, as well. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1110 "2022-06-28T21:14:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Just to reiterate; it doesn’t matter whether she [Nancy P] did enough or not, she didn’t call the shots. Other people had authority over the police. See, it doesn’t matter whether she had the authority or not-- it’s **still** her fault. That’s how that works. ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1111 "2022-06-28T21:43:18Z")
“How dare you fail to adequately defend yourselves against us!” ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1112 "2022-06-28T21:53:11Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > They’re doing a pretty thorough job of showing a conspiracy to overturn the election, if not overthrow the government. It’s up to the DOJ, of course, to determine what (if any) charges are brought, and against whom. There would now seem to be a case for suborning perjury of witnesses, as well. Here’s a pretty blatant showing of my ignorance - What is the role of congressional hearings in this process? Is the feeling that they are able to get at info that a prosecution couldn’t? Is that the result of Congress’ presumed “power”? I think it may be fatigue and apathy on my part, but after 2 unsuccessful impeachments and the useless SCt hrgs, I’m feeling this is largely political theater. Hope I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1113 "2022-06-28T21:54:57Z")
> [@Dahnlor](#): > > “How dare you fail to adequately defend yourselves against us!” This 100% this ^ ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1114 "2022-06-28T21:57:21Z")
IMO they’re doing a really good job of following lines of inquiry and digging up witnesses who will actually testify. While some of the testimony is hearsay, it corroborates other witness testimony. They are basically being the investigative arm for the DOJ and will turn over everything they have to them. Part of it is political theater, but the Republicans had every opportunity to be a part of the committee and shot themselves in the foot. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1115 "2022-06-28T22:06:03Z")
Thx. I hope you are correct and it leads to prosecutions. Because recent history strongly suggests that half our population are pretty impervious to anything short of that. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1116 "2022-06-28T22:06:55Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > What is the role of congressional hearings in this process? While the Committee’s investigation and the DOJ’s investigation share the same sets of facts, evidence and testimony, the purpose of each investigation is quite different. The Committee’s investigation is for the purpose of determining what changes need to be made to protect the legislative branch from such an attack ever occurring again. Recommendations will be made to pass laws with respect to how the Electoral College count is performed; to beef up security at the Capitol building and other such things. The DOJ’s investigation is for the purpose of determining if crimes were committed, by whom, and if they should proceed to indictment, prosecution and conviction. So again, while these 2 investigations share many common interests, they are for two entirely different purposes. One of the advantages of the Committee’s investigation is that it is public-facing. They are at liberty to put everything in a public spotlight so the public is aware of what they are learning. The DOJ does not do this. Their investigations are kept secret unless/until someone is charged with a crime. Because Mueller’s investigation was conducted under the auspices of the DOJ, he was prohibited from sharing his findings until he issued his final report. The Trump administration took full advantage of this, plumping the public with endless accusations of Mueller’s “witch hunt.” Won’t happen this time. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1117 "2022-06-28T22:07:09Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Here’s a pretty blatant showing of my ignorance - What is the role of congressional hearings in this process? Glenn Kirschner covers the method to the madness (17 min). [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/jpfA2C0EBrM/maxresdefault.jpg "With J6 committee public hearings set to begin, we ask: why has DOJ apparently chosen to go second?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpfA2C0EBrM) ---
**Author:** ![StraightTalk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straighttalk/32/9982_2.png) [@StraightTalk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StraightTalk)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1118 "2022-06-28T22:07:40Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > > [@Chefguy](#): > > > > They’re doing a pretty thorough job of showing a conspiracy to overturn the election, if not overthrow the government. It’s up to the DOJ, of course, to determine what (if any) charges are brought, and against whom. There would now seem to be a case for suborning perjury of witnesses, as well. > > Here’s a pretty blatant showing of my ignorance - What is the role of congressional hearings in this process? Is the feeling that they are able to get at info that a prosecution couldn’t? Is that the result of Congress’ presumed “power”? I think it may be fatigue and apathy on my part, but after 2 unsuccessful impeachments and the useless SCt hrgs, I’m feeling this is largely political theater. Hope I’m wrong. They serve a legislative purpose. After they determine what happened and why, they can propose legislation to prevent it from happening again. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1119 "2022-06-28T22:08:47Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The Committee’s investigation is for the purpose of determining what changes need to be made to protect the legislative branch from such an attack ever occurring again. Recommendations will be made to pass laws with respect to how the Electoral College count is performed; to beef up security at the Capitol building and other such things. Thx. Pretty much what I thought. Like I said, tho - if prosecutions do not follow, … And I doubt meaningful Congressional changes can be done solely along party lines. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1120 "2022-06-28T22:20:30Z")
I am confident prosecutions will follow based on the bits of information that has begun to peek out from DOJ and their active investigations. I’m less confident of convictions. But not because the evidence won’t be there. It will be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=57)