# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1221 "2022-06-29T13:43:41Z")
from what i understand ms hutchinson is a capable woman. she worked in congress and the senate. she has a high maturity factor. she is a conservative republican, who worked for those ideals. it doesn’t mean that she wants to be part of a coup, or overthrow the government. from what i saw she is more like romney, cheney, and kinsinger. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1222 "2022-06-29T13:49:20Z")
If Trump goes down, and the anti-Trump wing of the GOP solidifies, I could see her being tapped to run for Senate in her home state of New Jersey against Menendez in 2024. She would be a formidable candidate. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1223 "2022-06-29T13:53:55Z")
> [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](#): > > Ornato claims he never told it to her. Ornato was one of the SS removed from Biden’s detail because it was felt he was, literally, too loyal to Trump. He is perfectly willing to go under oath and repeat this, rather than getting on Fake News and blathering to Ingrahannarlson. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1224 "2022-06-29T13:57:35Z")
[January 6th Committee on Twitter: “Today’s testimony makes clear that Trump wanted to go to the Capitol with the armed mob, despite warnings not to do so from his advisors. When the Secret Service ruled out the possibility, the former President erupted in anger in the Suburban he was riding in. https://t.co/Ef69CAenn6” / Twitter](https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1541868218922541058?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1541868218922541058%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fdonald-trump-presidential-limo-capitol-january-6-committee-cassidy-hutchinson-1720126) you can see arm movements. would be interesting to know if they have dash cams with clearer video. also pence wouldn’t get in the car at the capital because he was not secure in the actions of the secret service. he said he trusted one of his agents, but not others. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1225 "2022-06-29T13:59:16Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > I could see her being tapped to run for Senate in her home state of New Jersey against Menendez in 2024. She was born in 1996 (although I couldn’t find her exact date of birth). At the end of 2024 she would be 28 years old. Minimum age for a Senator is 30. ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1226 "2022-06-29T14:02:03Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > If Trump goes down, and the anti-Trump wing of the GOP solidifies, I could see her being tapped to run for Senate in her home state of New Jersey against Menendez in 2024. She would be a formidable candidate. Who, Hutchinson? Besides for her being ineligible (underage), there is no way any conservative Republican will be a “formidable” Senate candidate in NJ. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1227 "2022-06-29T14:03:09Z")
she could go for congress. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1228 "2022-06-29T14:04:32Z")
She should just go away. Fixed it for you. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1229 "2022-06-29T14:04:42Z")
How about starting at state representative? What’s with people getting a little fame and then people talk them up for US Senate? ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1230 "2022-06-29T14:14:25Z")
I’m surprised to find out Trump really wanted to go to the Capitol—I thought he was a coward for winding the crowd up and then snuck back to the safety of the White House. I wish he had gone to the Capitol and gotten a snoot full of bear spray. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1231 "2022-06-29T14:20:01Z")
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**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1232 "2022-06-29T14:20:50Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Trump outsourced his SCOTUS picks to the Federalist Society; there plenty of reasons to be unhappy with them, but none have shown signs of fealty to Trump. They have may have their own agendas, but they don’t share his. They certainly show fealty to the GOP however. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1233 "2022-06-29T14:23:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Ornato was one of the SS removed from Biden’s detail because it was felt he was, literally, too loyal to Trump. SS. Secret service. Interesting initials. I wondered if it’s ever been used for anything else…. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1234 "2022-06-29T14:25:50Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > I’m surprised to find out Trump really wanted to go to the Capitol—I thought he was a coward for winding the crowd up and then snuck back to the safety of the White House. Yeah, I was in the coward camp also. But I don’t think this testimony resolves that issue - he clearly thought he was in no danger from ‘his people’, which is why he wanted the metal detectors removed. I’m certain his thought process (such as it was) never considered a stray bullet/return fire hitting him. He really thought he would be leading a parade, I think. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1235 "2022-06-29T14:42:09Z")
Claims through the media don’t mean shit. Hutchinson was under oath. If they have disputes, they can make them under oath. Otherwise it’s nothing but noise. ---
**Author:** ![SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19adc/32.png) [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpacemanSpiff_II)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1236 "2022-06-29T14:51:15Z")
I’d be intererested to see how uniformly you apply this standard. But that aside, per my linked ABC article above “_Sources familiar with the matter said that Herschmann had previously told the committee that he had penned the note_”. I assume that was under oath as well. And the two Secret Service guys are apparently willing to testify under oath as well. Really, I find it remarkable that the House Committee put out this kind of shaky testimony of such an explosive nature without even bothering to interview the actual people involved. Or, in the case of Herschmann, without trying to verify the facts about which they knew they had conflicting testimony. This does not speak of an objective entity in search of truth. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1237 "2022-06-29T15:02:12Z")
> [@SpacemanSpiff\_II](#): > > Really, I find it remarkable that the House Committee put out this kind of shaky testimony of such an explosive nature without even bothering to interview the actual people involved. Or, in the case of Herschmann, without trying to verify the facts about which they knew they had conflicting testimony. This does not speak of an objective entity in search of truth.- Um…you know that thing where a lawyer isn’t supposed to ask a witness a question unless they already know the answer? > … > On Wednesday morning, Republicans are rushing forward with unnamed sources to claim that both Security Chief Bobby Engel and other members of Trump’s Secret Service team are ready to testify that Trump didn’t grab the wheel of the presidential limo, or assault Engel. > > However, **there’s absolutely no doubt that the House select committee would not have put Hutchinson’s testimony before the public if they did not already have corroboration of everything she said.** Rep. Bernie Thompson would not risk the reputation of the investigation on unsupported testimony. None of the members of the committee—several of whom have ambitions that go beyond their current position—would risk their political futures on being tied to testimony that could be readily knocked down. > > Hutchinson testified she was told about the events in the limo by White House Chief of Operations Anthony Ornato, and it’s a good bet that the committee already has Ornato agreeing to that story. > … My bold. > **[Hutchinson's testimony was shocking because it showed how Trump surrounded...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/6/29/2107225/-Cassidy-Hutchinson-s-testimony-introduced-a-new-figure-in-the-Jan-6-hearings-Donald-Trump?pm_campaign=blog&pm_medium=rss&pm_source=main)** > > In the public testimony that’s come so far, the Jan. 6 committee has carefully laid out the evidence showing that the assault on the Capitol was not a spontaneous event, but the result of a widespread conspiracy that went on over a period of... ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1238 "2022-06-29T15:09:31Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > It’s odd that she didn’t immediately ask Ornato: “Is that true???” Is it, though? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1239 "2022-06-29T15:13:53Z")
Why should she ask if it was true? If I had heard that from someone on the detail just after it had happened, I’d have no reason to doubt it. This is what a MAGAbot said shortly after it happened before getting pressure to state otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1240 "2022-06-29T15:17:07Z")
If Herschmann did say that under oath, then that’s different. But let’s see if it turns out to be accurate, and it’s referring to the same exact note. My point was more about Engel and the Trump grabbing the wheel stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=63)