# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1321 "2022-06-29T20:33:52Z")
Oh, Rudy. “Fradulent” is not a noun. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1322 "2022-06-29T20:37:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Anyway Trump got rid of the mags, knew the crowd was armed and no danger to him, he sent them to Congress to attack, told multiple people Mike Pence deserved death _as the attack was occurring_, and wanted to lead his army. > > Whether or not he tapped his driver on the shoulder is irrelevant. Way to bang that drum brother! Keep it going! ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1323 "2022-06-29T20:43:15Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > Oh, Rudy. “Fradulent” is not a noun Interesting. So every time I heard somebody use the term “POS” in reference to Giuliani, it meant “Part Of Speech\*.” I did _not_ know that. \*or “Pennzoil Oozing from Sideburns” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1324 "2022-06-29T20:43:54Z")
Or ‘Pennzoil-Oozing Sideburns’. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1325 "2022-06-29T20:56:12Z")
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**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1326 "2022-06-29T21:02:34Z")
> [@Dahnlor](#): > > The primary reason for my own concerns is that some people who might otherwise be swayed by the testimony at these hearings are being given a reason to dismiss everything as a lie. If Hutchinson wasn’t truthful about her conversation with the Secret Service agents, it doesn’t only damage the rest of her testimony, but the credibility of the entire commission. This is how I see it. The Committee can’t give Trumpists anything that could even come close to being called fake. Not once, not a teeny bit. They’re not like baseball players who can hit the ball 3 out of 10 times and be an all star. They’re more like tightrope walkers who can’t miss a single step. Up until that hearsay moment, they’d been doing a spectacular job. I really hope that they corroborated that story, small as it was on the grand scale. Raskin sounds like such a smart lawyer, It’s kind of stunning that, if this was a mistake, it could even have been made. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1327 "2022-06-29T21:10:31Z")
I think we should stop catering to them so much. Trumpers do not act in good faith. They always, always go for this kind of thing, the magic bullet, the one thing they can attack that somehow cancels out everything else. The world does not work that way. We keep letting them control us with this fear that they are going to attack what we’re doing. They have always and will always do that. The general public is not Trumpers. We need to be speaking to everyone and just ignore the wailing and carrying on from Trumpland. We need to stop letting them control everything all the time. No matter what we do, they will do exactly what they are doing now. So just do the right thing, and don’t let them call the shots. Maybe I’m naive, I’m just sick to death of catering to the craziest among us all the time. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1328 "2022-06-29T21:15:19Z")
I see no reason at all to be skeptical of Hutchinson’s testimony. So far, nothing more significant than rumor has been offered to challenge it. Trump’s statements are worthless. Vague second-hand denials through media reports are meaningless. Unless and until someone denies what she said, under oath, there’s nothing that conflicts with it. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1329 "2022-06-29T21:18:20Z")
trump demanded the mags be removed, but were they actually removed? Was it the SS he was demanding remove them, because they really wouldn’t want all those guns up close? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1330 "2022-06-29T21:29:39Z")
I’m sure they didn’t remove the mags. There’s no way in the world the USSS would allow people known to have rifles get closer to the President. Even if the Pres says those guys are cool. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1331 "2022-06-29T21:34:39Z")
And while we’re at it, this kind of puts paid to the “they were secretly antifa the whole time” lie. Not that MAGAts will stop using that lie, of course. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1332 "2022-06-29T21:39:59Z")
No. The way I understood the testimony, Trump wanted to fill the area of the speech with spectators. You know, for the photos of the crowd size. He knew there were armed people who couldn’t make it past security, but who might fill out the venue if they could get in. That fool and his eternal disappointment with his teenie weenie peni… crowd size. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1333 "2022-06-29T21:56:04Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > > [@Dahnlor](#): > > > > The primary reason for my own concerns is that some people who might otherwise be swayed by the testimony at these hearings are being given a reason to dismiss everything as a lie. If Hutchinson wasn’t truthful about her conversation with the Secret Service agents, it doesn’t only damage the rest of her testimony, but the credibility of the entire commission. > > This is a standard argumentation tactic used by those who don’t actually have a factual argument, hence it’s a staple of right-wing types in general and Trumpists in particular. It’s been used for decades by climate change deniers: find a paper with apparent weaknesses that can be attacked – whether the weaknesses are legitimate or not doesn’t matter, as long as the attacks sound good – and use that to undermine the entire body of science. I just want to re-iterate @Dahnlor’s original comment and my response to it, because in a brief moment of fortitude I went to the Fox News website to see what they were reporting about the latest Jan 6 developments, and it was the thing I linked below. To be clear, this was the _ **only** _ report they had at the time about anything related to the Jan 6 hearing or Hutchinson’s testimony. IOW, it’s exactly the game I described: focus on an irrelevant detail to try to discredit the entire testimony! They’ve even put an extra twist on it, attempting to blame the Jan 6 committee for not pre-clearing this tidbit with the Secret Service, as if the orange shit-stain’s tantrum in the SUV were the sum total of the whole testimony! This is how these lying bastards operate. > **[Secret Service says January 6 Committee didn't reach out before Hutchinson...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-january-6-committee-didnt-reach-about-story-trump-lunging-agent)** > > The U.S. Secret Service said the January 6 Committee did not check an allegation against former President Trump with witnessing agents before a hearing. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1334 "2022-06-29T22:22:46Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > This is how these lying bastards operate. Yes. And it’s why the committee has to walk a tightrope. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1335 "2022-06-29T22:27:43Z")
The thing is, from what I can tell, Hutchinson didn’t even say anything false. Conservative respondents are just saying she did by willfully lying. You can’t prevent that. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1336 "2022-06-29T22:44:40Z")
The Committee isn’t going to satisfy alt-right’s mind any more than a person can avoid being abused by someone who claims they wouldn’t be abusive if only the other weren’t to blame. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1337 "2022-06-29T23:41:18Z")
Oh. Here’s a surprise: > **[Trump endorses GOP rival to Jan. 6 witness Rusty Bowers](https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-donald-trump-presidential-phoenix-918ee1b7ee66cb2c53f5dbde00177447)** > > PHOENIX (AP) — Donald Trump on Wednesday endorsed the Republican running against Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, who last week gave powerful testimony to the House committee investigating the Jan. I’ll be watching this race. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1338 "2022-06-30T00:31:13Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Hutchinson didn’t even say anything false. Conservative respondents are just saying she did by willfully lying. You can’t prevent that. Sorry to keep beating this, but holy hell, you can corroborate a story before you air it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1339 "2022-06-30T00:36:39Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’ll be watching this race. B-b-but that’s not fair! 😧 Rusty was loyal. He said he’d vote for Don the Con again. Doesn’t that count for anything? ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1340 "2022-06-30T00:37:32Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > This is how these lying bastards operate. > > Yes. And it’s why the committee has to walk a tightrope. True all that. All told I’m definitely in less distress about this particular mini-controversy now that I’ve had a few more hours to process it. I would imagine that in the case of someone like my mother, it’s really up to her to want to understand what I’m trying to tell her, rather than any magic words I can utter to make it so. That said, I’m not as worried about the big picture since if the Secret Service agents are willing to tell their version under oath, then by all means let’s hear their versions of that story, and all of the other things they were witness to on that day, under oath. This WaPo article puts it nicely: [https://wapo.st/3AeTEpb](https://wapo.st/3AeTEpb) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=68)