# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1542 "2022-07-04T15:02:12Z")
Looks like someone drank some extra portions of Flavor Aid. > [@JohnT](#): > > we look forward to your _reasoned_ views in the future. Hopefully with punctuation. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1543 "2022-07-04T15:08:35Z")
> [@Jordan41](#): > > What the actual fuck is wrong with you ppl you called your veteran uncle who faught for america and your freedoms a traitor Yeah. That’s what we do around here. Take on ignorance. It’s even in our motto! > [@I blew up a Toastmasters group last night](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-blew-up-a-toastmasters-group-last-night/918672): > > Just gonna put this in the Pit, even though it isn’t really aimed at anyone or anything… it’s too political for MPSIMS, not debatey enough for GD, and even though it’s political in nature, not really suitable for P&E… so here we are. Let’s just file this under “Recreational Outrage: Live Edition”. Have a friend (Dave) who is helping another friend (Matthew) start a Toastmasters ™ group here in San Antonio. Having had some experience with TM, I was asked by Dave to help Matthew start his new TM … Just because someone was in the military doesn’t exempt them from being a traitor, of course. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1544 "2022-07-04T15:12:10Z")
Looking forward to this… [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52193520369_c45e40cd45_m.jpg "Screenshot 2022-07-04 101116") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/52193520369/) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1545 "2022-07-04T15:13:30Z")
I disagree, I think Trump will wait until the last possible minute to declare his candidacy. The suspense and uncertainty is his brand, he’ll tease it out for as long as possible. Plus, his finances will come under much more scrutiny and the Trump PAC’s won’t be allowed to coordinate with him once he’s declared. Heck, I’m wondering if he’s looking for a loophole that will allow him to run WITHOUT declaring his candidacy, kind of like the loophole he found that allowed him to hire crazy people that Congress would never approve by putting the word “Acting” in front of their job title. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1546 "2022-07-04T15:14:06Z")
Many traitors start out in the military after having been heros. What is with these people who cherish out country but no nothing of its history? > **[Benedict Arnold](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold)** > > This monument was erected under the patronage of the State of Connecticut in the 55th year of the Independence of the U.S.A. in memory of the brave patriots massacred at Fort Griswold near this spot on the 6th of Sept. AD 1781, when the British, under the command of the Traitor Benedict Arnold, burnt the towns of New London and Groton and spread desolation and woe throughout the region. Benedict Arnold (14 January 1741 \[O.S. 3 January 1740\]\[a\] – June 14, 1801) was an American military office... ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1547 "2022-07-04T15:17:55Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > What is with these people who cherish out country but no nothing of its history? They’re Trumpers. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1548 "2022-07-04T15:20:08Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Just because someone was in the military doesn’t exempt them from being a traitor, of course. As Michael Flynn has amply demonstrated. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1549 "2022-07-04T15:21:27Z")
I don’t care if you have a chest full of medals, if you support DJT you are not a good American. Maybe in 2016 you didn’t know he was a monster so I’ll give you a pass. After 4 years, you should have known he was a Russian asset as well as a grifting liar. But after 1/6/21, you have no excuse. You either love DJT or you love America, you cannot possibly love both. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1550 "2022-07-04T15:21:49Z")
I tried to diagram this run-on sentence and my head exploded. * * * > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Heck, I’m wondering if he’s looking for a loophole that will allow him to run WITHOUT declaring his candidacy… Actually, what he’s counting on is that he won’t have to run because the Supremes or somebody will declare that he has been president _all along_ and that not only has Joe Biden never been president, Joe doesn’t even exist. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1551 "2022-07-04T15:22:08Z")
> [@Jordan41](#): > > …when trump pleaded for everyone to go home the moment the capital was breeched but couldnt reach as many ppl due to twitter and facebook choosing that moment to suspend and silence trump… Beautiful. There are alternate realities, and then there are whatever this is. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1552 "2022-07-04T15:28:08Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > There are alternate realities, and then there are whatever this is. He thrusts his fists against the posts, and still insists he sees the ghosts. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1553 "2022-07-04T15:29:47Z")
Moderating: > [@Jordan41](#): > > What the actual fuck is wrong with you ppl you called your veteran uncle who faught for america and your freedoms a traitor because he has the sense to see this is all a sham what hearings have you ever seen that have zero representation on the accused side to defend from what you yourselves are treating like a reality show and what committe edits out the evidence proving trump innocent like when he said go peacefully to the capital and make your voices heard or when trump pleaded for everyone to go home the moment the capital was breeched but couldnt reach as many ppl due to twitter and facebook choosing that moment to suspend and silence trump or why doesnt anyone ask why pelosi turned down the 20 thousand national gaurd that was offered how do you not realize this is all being made to look a certain way to prevent trump from ever running for office again and how are you so petty and toxic that you dont even care breaking every law to end trump in your eyes is acceptable trump isnt the boogyman you ppl are Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Board, @Jordan41. You are welcome to post your views. You are welcome to post them forcefully. You’re allowed to be wrong, and this community will set you straight best they can. However, you’re not allowed to rant or insult posters, as your post has done, except in the Pit. Here are the rules for participation in this Board: > [@Terms of Service and FAQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/registration-agreement-rules-and-faq/823562): > > Terms of Service The current Terms of Service may be viewed [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/tos). Here are the specific rules for Politics and Elections forum. > [@New Rules for Politics and Elections – January 2020](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rules-for-politics-and-elections-january-2020/845727): > > Moderation in Great Debates and Politics and Elections In general, Great Debates and Politics and Elections are the most contentious fora on the SDMB. Because of that, you’ll find that moderation is more active and prone to sanctioning posters. You can compare it to sitting at the holiday dinner next to the crazy uncle who can’t help being unpleasant. Please don’t be that guy. Be aware that most rules are not ‘bright line’. This is intentional on our part as we believe such encourages poor … I encourage you to acquaint yourself with them, or your stay with us will be short. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1554 "2022-07-04T15:31:31Z")
Thanks for that. However, to be fair, when I’m grouped in with the rest of the Dope as “you ppl”… that’s not really an insult. I hope. 😉 /done ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1555 "2022-07-04T15:33:40Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > However, you’re not allowed to rant or insult posters, as your post has done, except in the Pit. I could have sworn this was in the Pit! ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1556 "2022-07-04T15:35:59Z")
These “supporters” are paid by the word [I guess, only makes sense]. A wall of letters, cut and paste from the depths of their chosen conspiracy sites. It’s a bizzaro world they live in where every wholesale mean, vicious, underhanded, illegal tactic used by the GQP gets a “find and replace with Democrats”. Full on projection. Glad it’s just words [and not all CAPS, that would be rude] - this time. Next time, courtesy of the Thomas Supreme court, it will be Mr. AR-15 interrupting casual dining out at your favorite pizza parlor SAD. I’d ask him, “What are the key points you have learned from the hearing so far?”, if I were wearing a face shield for all the spittle. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1557 "2022-07-04T15:43:06Z")
Oh, what the hell - I’ve got a few minutes for a forum-appropriate response. > [@Jordan41](#): > > what hearings have you ever seen that have zero representation on the accused side to defend from These are hearings, not a trial. Nobody is “the accused” at this point. It is a presentation of evidence, not a prosecution. If the preponderance of evidence being presented - and bearing in mind that pretty much all the witnesses have been Republicans, many of whom were close to Trump and some of whom were his family - is so unilaterally damning, perhaps that’s an indication that the conclusion being drawn is a reasonable one. > [@](#): > > what you yourselves are treating like a reality show This is rather ironic, given Trump’s background. > [@](#): > > and what committe edits out the evidence proving trump innocent like when he said go peacefully to the capital and make your voices heard Trump and his followers also spent months telling his followers that they had to “stop the steal” and to “fight like hell” to do so. He praised them when they harassed and even attacked Democrats and independent election officials. On the day, his speech and the speeches before his encouraged his followers to “fight” in “trial by combat” and that it was their last chance to stop Congress from certifying the vote, and that if the vote got certified it would be “very bad”. But if you carefully remove the word “peacefully” from the months of violent rhetoric and edit the evidence to pretend that it was the only significant word, I suppose one might not think Trump had exhorted his followers to violence. > [@](#): > > or when trump pleaded for everyone to go home the moment the capital was breeched but couldnt reach as many ppl due to twitter and facebook choosing that moment to suspend and silence trump A reminder that when Trump learned that his followers were hunting down Mike Pence and his family and building a gallows outside, he was somehow able to tweet (at 2:24pm on the day) “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what was necessary”, which only served to rile up his supporters further. He did not choose to tell his followers to go home until much later, and even when he did so he called them “special” and “great patriots” and told them “we love you”. > [@](#): > > or why doesnt anyone ask why pelosi turned down the 20 thousand national gaurd that was offered Because that didn’t happen. No, I’m aware that Sean Hannity said it did, but it didn’t. > [@](#): > > how do you not realize this is all being made to look a certain way to prevent trump from ever running for office again and how are you so petty and toxic that you dont even care breaking every law to end trump in your eyes is acceptable trump isnt the boogyman you ppl are No laws are being broken by either us or Congress. Trump, on the other hand, has demonstrably broken several over the years. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1558 "2022-07-04T15:44:01Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I tried to diagram this run-on sentence and my head exploded. You’re lucky the diagram didn’t open an interdimensional portal and summon demons. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1559 "2022-07-04T15:45:39Z")
I feel very comfortable in saying that the majority of people who are active on this board are familiar with the ‘evidence’ that you claim supports Donald Trump. But most of it has been debunked, is specious, doesn’t exonerate him in the way you might think it does, or – at the very least – doesn’t even come close to offsetting the tsunami of incredibly damning and highly credible information that this Committee has made public. Also, the political make-up of the Committee was – de facto – decided by Kevin McCarthy. Some think he made a tremendous error in judgment in making the decision that he _did_ make: [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-mccarthy-jan-6-committee-picks-removed-pelosi-rejects-jim-jordan-jim-banks/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-mccarthy-jan-6-committee-picks-removed-pelosi-rejects-jim-jordan-jim-banks/) But I don’t see the progress of the Committee as being anywhere near as biased as the arguments you’ve put forth here. I also don’t see anything in your post that even remotely resembles objectivity. You have summarily dismissed everything the committee brought forward and are, instead, relying on a very few, very flimsy pieces that _you think_ support the person to whom you appear to maintain a tenacious – if incomprehensible – fealty. ETA: TL;DR … _But her emails …_ But … y’know … welcome to the board ! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1560 "2022-07-04T15:50:34Z")
January 6th: January 6th, 2021 Twitter bans Trump: January 8th, 2021 > **[Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump](https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension)** > > Suspension of @realDonaldTrump Facebook bans Trump: January 7th, 2021 > **[Log into Facebook](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0Lma6e6TYhwvD8vb43EU6Ka5YVTDCVukhezFFq85dXNDZPfHMKAtPjL6z5Vk3L7rgl&id=4)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. Welcome to the Dope where ignorance is fought! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1561 "2022-07-04T15:53:15Z")
Btw, I just shared the Zuckerberg ‘we’re banning Trump’ message with a cheery “Happy Independence Day” message to all my FB followers… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=79)