# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1622 "2022-07-05T18:08:20Z")
Convicted. 1. It would send a message to other corrupt politicians that these things Simply Are Not Done. 2. It would lessen his political influence. 3. It would not necessarily bar him from office, so he could theoretically run from prison (and pardon himself from federal crimes if he wins). He has enough people in his thrall that it would split the Republican vote and make it easier for a Democrat to win. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1623 "2022-07-05T18:10:42Z")
Convicted. In prison he couldn’t hold rallies and his communications would be seriously impaired. Without the constant adulation of the insane, he would rapidly go downhill and spend the rest of his miserable existence clutching a toy cell phone and muttering “hamberders, hamberders…” In fact, I want him convicted for State Offenses. Multiple states. State prisons are notably worse than Federal ones, and if he gets convicted in several states then a single governor can’t set him free. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1624 "2022-07-05T18:40:00Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I want him convicted for State Offenses. Multiple states. State prisons are notably worse than Federal ones, and if he gets convicted in several states then a single governor can’t set him free. I wonder if his DOJ indictment will help officials in other states grow spines and start charging him with crimes there – not only related to the Jan. 6 insurrection but other abuses of power committed while he was in office and financial crimes committed earlier. (Looking at you, New York.) And lets hope a bunch of his cronies go away, too. The GOP has gotten away with “But what if we didn’t?” for decades, but let’s finally show them there’s one norm that cannot be violated. If you lose an election, you lose. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1625 "2022-07-05T18:46:18Z")
Another vote for convicted. I think Fani Willis’s case in Atlanta will be filed soon. In a just world, it should result in a conviction. She’s got dead-to-rights evidence with that phone call. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1626 "2022-07-05T18:47:00Z")
Convicted, for all the reasons mentioned above, plus: Even the best Club Fed kind of prison would be absolute hell for him. Bad accommodations run by people he has no influence over, and rules he has to follow? Imagine the meltdowns he’d have, every single day. And not even **one** gold-plated toilet! ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1627 "2022-07-05T18:50:28Z")
There were people who died that day who wouldn’t have died but for his mob. That’s at least second degree murder. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1628 "2022-07-05T18:51:23Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > And not even **one** gold-plated toilet! Perhaps he could get one incrusted with a yellow stain. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1629 "2022-07-05T18:55:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > He has enough people in his thrall that it would split the Republican vote and make it easier for a Democrat to win. Back in 2011, thanks to Proposition 14 being passed by the voters, California now has a [top-two primary](https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/primary-elections-california) where for most offices the two candidates with the most votes, regardless of their party affiliation, face each other in the general election. This has had the effect of totally blocking alternative parties from the general election, but perhaps more importantly, at least twice, both candidates in a heavily-leaning district were _not_ from the party the district leans towards. The more recent one, [this last June](https://calmatters.org/politics/2022/06/california-primary-top-two/), in state senate district 4 (central Sierras) six Republican candidates failed to put-poll the two Democrats, despite a Republican-paid mail flyer meant to push one Democrat ahead of the other to the point the top Republican could squeeze by her for the second spot. Sometimes, plans don’t work out the way you thought they would. Better to keep the bastard out of politics all together. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1630 "2022-07-05T19:09:24Z")
A healthy dose of embalming fluid should do the trick. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1631 "2022-07-05T19:17:56Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > That’s at least second degree murder. If only it was that easy, but not, it’s not. Now, if he was on 5th Avenue shooting people randomly he’d be guilty. (Though per his own words he would lose no followers.) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1632 "2022-07-05T20:02:12Z")
I’m not sure where this goes, but … Adam Kinzinger released an extremely Norman Rockwell-esque three minute audio tape of some of the phone calls that have been coming into his office since his participation on the J6C. Please let me be clear: **NSFW - LANGUAGE** > ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1633 "2022-07-05T20:14:26Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Even the best Club Fed kind of prison would be absolute hell for him. Bad accommodations run by people he has no influence over, and rules he has to follow? Imagine the meltdowns he’d have, every single day. Meh. I assume most corrections officers are trumpers, or at least conservative. There would be at least one guard who would consider it their honor and privilege to serve Trump directly. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1634 "2022-07-05T21:37:05Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > There is a very rational explanation for the time Garland has taken. He has prosecuted about 800 participants in the January 6th insurrection so far. That takes time, no matter how you may see it. Committee hearing evidence is not trial evidence. Developing bullet proof trial evidence takes time. He’s been going after the low hanging fruit. Afraid to aim higher, but the hearings may be finally forcing him to act. He’s been pretty incompetent. He completely ignored the Meullar report. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > Think of the scope: All these unidentified insurrectionists, where did they come from? Who knew about their plans? Who instructed them to do what they were doing? Where did they share their information? How did they fund their activities? Where are they now? Chase down the texts, the phone messages, the call logs, the chat logs, the photos, the eye witnesses. Gather all evidence for prosecutions. Squeeze perpetrators. Obtain testimony of the lowers to gain convictions of the uppers. Cross-reference. Repeat and move up the chain. Or…maybe start higher up like the committee has. Maybe Garland is just incompetent. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > But in fact, there _is_ evidence of where Garland’s team is at. We know Eastman’s phone was recently seized. We know Clark’s home was searched. Do you know how the FBI gets to do that? They have to apply for a warrant from a federal judge in the jurisdiction where they want to search. So in Eastman’s case, New Mexico. In Clark’s case, Virginia. And in each instance, they must show probable cause – _meaning evidence_ – of what they expect to find that justifies the search and/or seizure. So to say that DOJ has no evidence is simply ignorant. Things that happened after the committee started the public hearings. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1635 "2022-07-05T21:39:38Z")
My contrarian opinion, which is based on the accounts I’ve read of the jail experiences of white collar criminals like Bernie Madoff and Jordan Belfort, is that Trump will love jail. Other inmates will be falling over him for the privilege of doing his laundry and covering his work assignments. They do this partly because the rich inmates can get good food and stuff, and partly because the white collar criminals that pulled off big crimes take on hero status. He’ll be the subject of almost universal unconditional adulation. Criminals hate “the system”, and Trump played and scammed “the system” like no one else in history. And we all know he has no taste in food, he’ll probably like the overcooked institutional food better than the food served in the restaurants on his properties. He’ll be the King of the Prison. He’ll love it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1636 "2022-07-05T21:41:10Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > He’ll love it. I’m willing to chance it. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1637 "2022-07-05T21:54:26Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > he’ll probably like the overcooked institutional food He might be too paranoid to eat food everyone else has been around. Actually his paranoia would make jail even more stressful. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1638 "2022-07-05T22:21:18Z")
July 12 is the next hearing. If i knew how to post a link using my phone, i would. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1639 "2022-07-05T22:28:34Z")
CNN just announced that. Given that the announcement was very recent (like, within the last fifteen minutes or so), I’d imagine that it will be all over every news source shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1640 "2022-07-05T22:37:55Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > July 12 is the next hearing. Thanks for letting us know. (Lunch date rearranged.) ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1641 "2022-07-05T22:59:04Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > He might be too paranoid to eat food everyone else has been around. He didn’t have any problem eating hamberders from McDonalds. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=83)