# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1682 "2022-07-07T15:28:55Z")
Based on the persistence of their tenure and their approval ratings among their base, it’s hard to see how they’re wrong, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1683 "2022-07-07T15:33:10Z")
Yes, I was thinking as I typed that, it was basically a Republican politician job description. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1684 "2022-07-07T15:39:20Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > My point, however, is that the GOP issuing the subpoena is the equivalent of me asking a judge to force me to turnover my bank records to myself. The House of Representatives has full access to their own records. OR… they’re playing up to their masses. “They subpoenaed us; we’ll subpoena them!” Throw some red meat to the proles, knowing it has no meaning whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1685 "2022-07-07T15:51:19Z")
Or a combination of projection and stupidity. Some of them have shown themselves not to be the brightest bulbs. So they could well believe, because they’d do it themselves if they could, that there’s nefarious backroom dealings that will never see the light of day. But either way, it won’t affect them. If there isn’t anything, they’ll still pound on that drum for years (Benghazi! Emails! Tan suit!) and either suggest there’s double secret files they haven’t yet gotten or that they’ve found incriminating texts or emails so shocking they need two weeks to figure out how best to release them to the public. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1686 "2022-07-07T15:53:03Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So they could well believe, because they’d do it themselves if they could, that there’s nefarious backroom dealings that will never see the light of day. Recently I’ve begun to idly wonder how many conservative black market baby rings there are in the basements of pizza places. Maybe that’s why they’re so against abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1687 "2022-07-07T17:49:42Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > The House of Representatives has full access to their own records. > [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > OR… they’re playing up to their masses. “They subpoenaed us; we’ll subpoena them!” Throw some red meat to the proles, knowing it has no meaning whatsoever. The House Resolution that creates the special committee does say: > [@](#): > > SEC. 7. TERMINATION AND DISPOSITION OF RECORDS. > > (a) Termination.—The Select Committee shall terminate 30 days after filing the final report under section 4. > > (b) Disposition Of Records.—Upon termination of the Select Committee— > > (1) the records of the Select Committee shall become the records of such committee or committees designated by the Speaker; and > > (2) the copies of records provided to the Select Committee by a committee of the House under section 6(a) shall be returned to the committee. **If these rules stay the same** and the House switches party at the start of next year then, yes, what you say is correct. I find it somewhat unlikely, though, that Pelosi would keep these rules in force, having the knowledge for about a month, that the work product of the Committee is going to become the property of Jim Jordan. I would expect that the Committee members will take home copies of most of the material so that they can mitigate selective leaks with more complete versions of the material. But that’s not a solution the greater risk that those who are criminally implicated are able to get access to a list of witnesses and start sending them threats and bribes. If the House flips, at least some portion of the materials need to be rendered inaccessible in some way. My guess would be that there’s some way via amendments to the resolution, House rules changes, asking the Executive branch to designate materials “classified”, sharing materials with the DOJ without keeping a copy, etc. to legally spirit the materials away. At that point, if Jim Jordan wants to reconstruct the witness list, he would need to subpoena the former members of the committee. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1688 "2022-07-07T18:22:49Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > and either suggest there’s double secret files they haven’t yet gotten or that they’ve found incriminating texts or emails so shocking they need two weeks to figure out how best to release them to the public. Packets! They’re going to release the packets in two weeks! ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1689 "2022-07-07T18:33:00Z")
Remember when TFG actually gave the healthcare plan to Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes? Yeah, me neither. > **[How President Trump's surprise gift to '60 Minutes' completely backfired |...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/26/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-book-lesley-stahl-health-care/index.html)** > > Shortly after President Donald Trump abruptly ended an interview with "60 Minutes" anchor Lesley Stahl, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany showed up with a massively large book in tow. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1690 "2022-07-07T18:50:30Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If the House flips, at least some portion of the materials need to be rendered inaccessible in some way. My guess would be that there’s some way via amendments to the resolution, House rules changes, asking the Executive branch to designate materials “classified”, sharing materials with the DOJ without keeping a copy, etc. to legally spirit the materials away. This is bonkers. None of that is going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1691 "2022-07-07T18:53:27Z")
This was mentioned on this thread earlier, but I think it’s worth discussing. Mike ‘pillow’ Lindell offered to testify, but they ignored him. And he is furious about it. > **[Mike Lindell says he offered to publicly testify before the January 6...](https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-lindell-request-testify-january-6-panel-ignored-2022-6?r=US&IR=T)** > > The MyPillow CEO told Insider that he very much wants to give the panel "all the evidence of the biggest crime in history." Now, anythhing that angers Mike Lindell is automatically funny. But aside from that, why haven’t they subpoenaed him? He can supply a lot of information. Just for a start they can ask him about his discussing martial law with the President. I think he would happily provide enough evidence to jail him and a lot of others. Let him rant about his conspiracy theories. Then ask him about how he presented this information to the President, and how the President reacted. I think he could be a key witness. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1692 "2022-07-07T18:59:09Z")
What an asinine idea. Nobody, not even conservatives, take Lindell seriously. There is no good reason to have him testify. Given his public flailing these last couple years, any testimony he does give, even testimony that seemingly incriminates him or anybody else, cannot be trusted. He arguably has mental health issues and should be getting help, not given a national spotlight. He’d only be there as a sideshow to point and laugh at, and they have much more serious business they have to attend ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1693 "2022-07-07T19:02:55Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There is no good reason to have him testify. He was a witness to many key events, and probably a direct influence on Trump’s actions. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1694 "2022-07-07T19:05:13Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > What an asinine idea. Nobody, not even conservatives, take Lindell seriously. Nobody, _except the freakin’ POTUS_ (at that time). > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > He’d only be there as a sideshow to point and laugh at You say that as if it’s a bad thing! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1695 "2022-07-07T19:06:54Z")
He’s a road apple. Had no official power, his word is shit, and he does nothing for the committee’s reputation for seriousness. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1696 "2022-07-07T19:07:32Z")
Moderating: > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I think he could be a key witness. It’s not going to happen, so let’s stop hijacking this thread with idle speculation about non-events. To all, please, again, let’s try to keep the discussion tied to actual January 6th hearing events in some way, and at least within the realm of possibility. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1697 "2022-07-07T19:18:54Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This is bonkers. None of that is going to happen. I believe it’s very credible that members of the House Republican party are under criminal investigation or that they will be, eventually. At the time that they’re indicted, their lawyer can request access to the evidence against them. Prior to that point, though, those materials should be inaccessible to the accused. Handing them to the DOJ without keeping a copy in the House archives seems like a fairly simple and straightforward method to accomplish this, if nothing else, and that was in the list of options. The DOJ has already requested those materials. If the Democrats win the House then the question is moot. But if they lose, I expect that certain things will go missing - either through official acts or through more subtle and questionable processes - and that there genuinely will be subpoenas flying. That is unless the persons under investigation have already been indicted by then. I’m not expecting that, at Garland’s current pace. I think he’s targeting the 2024 election, not this one. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1698 "2022-07-07T19:27:58Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If the Democrats win the House then the question is moot. But if they lose, I expect that certain things will go missing - either through official acts or through more subtle and questionable processes - and that there genuinely will be subpoenas flying. This is definitely not going to happen. The very idea is crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1699 "2022-07-07T19:49:26Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > This is definitely not going to happen. The very idea is crazy. #shrug Ultimately, the world will do what it’s going to do, regardless of what we think. Certainly, one of us is wrong. We’ll find out in about 6 months. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1700 "2022-07-07T19:51:58Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Certainly, one of us is wrong. It’s definitely you. There will be no, “The dog ate my homework,” shenanigans. That’s not how these things work or have ever worked. The idea is preposterous. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1701 "2022-07-07T20:05:16Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > That’s not how these things work or have ever worked. The idea is preposterous. > **[James Comey Had a Friend Leak His Memo About President Trump](https://time.com/4811044/james-comey-testimony-media-leaks/)** > > Leaking it himself would be like "feeding seagulls at the beach," he said > **[White House 'tried to cover up details of Trump-Ukraine call'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49842895)** > > Attempts were made to "lock down" information about the phone call to Ukraine's leader, report says. [https://thehill.com/policy/defense/441240-mattis-ignored-orders-from-trump-white-house-on-north-korea-iran-report/](https://thehill.com/policy/defense/441240-mattis-ignored-orders-from-trump-white-house-on-north-korea-iran-report/) > **[Trump's former national security adviser confirms Gary Cohn stole documents...](https://www.businessinsider.com/gary-cohn-stole-documents-off-trump-desk-hr-mcmaster-confirms-woodward-book-2018-9)** > > H.R. McMaster, the former national security adviser, confirmed that Gary Cohn took documents off President Donald Trump's desk that would have pulled the US out of a major trade deal with South Korea. The allegation was a key story in Bob Woodward's... In sufficiently crazy times, even reasonable people are sometimes drawn to wild and crazy measures. And this is the House of Representatives that we’re talking about here. Sober and reasonable isn’t the average - even on the Special Committee. I’m a moderate. The witness list needs to be protected. It’s not some optional nicety. If you have to play dumb and hide stuff in your shoe to sneak it out of the building then that’s just what you do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=86)