# Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 9, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940 "2022-06-09T22:34:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1722 "2022-07-08T21:57:03Z")
Forget it, Jake. It’s Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1723 "2022-07-08T21:57:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > “we were able to get all the questions we were able to get answered.” > The hell does that mean? It reminds me of what dad would say. ‘If we had any ham, we could have ham and eggs. If we had any eggs.’ ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1724 "2022-07-08T22:02:42Z")
I’d interpret the comment as they had predetermined areas of questioning Cipollone was willing to answer on, and they got all their questions in those areas answered. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1725 "2022-07-08T22:06:15Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > ‘If we had any ham, we could have ham and eggs. If we had any eggs.’ Or US Rep. Fucking Yogi Berra, eh? 😀 (Props to your dad, I like that!) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1726 "2022-07-09T00:28:39Z")
As I understand it, client privilege doesn’t apply to Cipollone because his client was the office of the president, not the person in the office. Is that correct? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1727 "2022-07-09T00:40:01Z")
From the careful phrasing I imagine he was mildly cooperative, but didn’t lay out all the machinations in detail. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1728 "2022-07-09T01:10:01Z")
Correct. He was not paid by the president, he was paid by the tax payers to give the best legal advise to the office of the president. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1729 "2022-07-09T01:22:30Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I imagine he was mildly cooperative For 8 hours! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1730 "2022-07-09T01:28:39Z")
This could be interesting. If it happens. (Gift link) > **[Bannon says he will testify at public hearing as contempt trial looms](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/08/bannon-executive-privilege-trump-january-6/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjYyMDc3NTgiLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjU3MzMwMDA5LCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjU4NTM5NjA5LCJpYXQiOjE2NTczMzAwMDksImp0aSI6ImJhZGM3YjI0LWZiNGQtNDk5ZS1hOTEzLWE0Mzk3MTk3ZDYwNiIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9uYXRpb25hbC1zZWN1cml0eS8yMDIyLzA3LzA4L2Jhbm5vbi1leGVjdXRpdmUtcHJpdmlsZWdlLXRydW1wLWphbnVhcnktNi8ifQ.8RiNetyynXObCN7s7p2s82GbrNhSpDidjYrELN3q7BY&itid=gfta)** > > In a letter, Trump told his former chief strategist he will waive his claim of executive privilege, which government lawyers have said never applied. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1731 "2022-07-09T02:12:39Z")
Lol, Bannon has no claim nor does Trump have the powers to waive anything. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1732 "2022-07-09T02:43:59Z")
I doubt they got much from Cipollone except corroboration of other testimony. And that in itself can be very valuable in building a case. In this case times and dates are going to be very important in establishing the chain of information passed from person to person that shows active participation in a conspiracy. I’m sure they got plenty of valuable information today without ever asking Cipollone about any details that would come near and kind of privilege claim. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1733 "2022-07-09T04:17:47Z")
Zoe Lofgren leaks (perhaps _teases_ is the better word) some hints about what went down today in Committee with Cipollone. > **[Former Trump White House Counsel Cipollone meets with Jan. 6 panel, gives new...](https://news.yahoo.com/former-trump-white-house-counsel-232039316.html)** > > Former Trump White House Counsel Pat Cipollone had an eight-hour private interview with the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack at the Capitol. > [@](#): > > He did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-San Jose) said late Friday on CNN. > > Lofgren, a committee member, clarified that “not contradicting is not the same as confirming.” In some cases the former White House lawyer was not present for the events described or “couldn’t recall with precision" some details, she said. > > “He was candid with the committee; he was careful in his answers,” said Lofgren. “And I think we did learn a few things, which we will be rolling out in the hearings to come.“ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1734 "2022-07-09T04:39:06Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > I did expect a fair amount of atty-client priviledge Except Cipollone is the _White House_ counsel, not T\*\*\*\*'s. The man is not his client, the office is. > Although the White House counsel offers legal advice to the president and vice president, the counsel does so in the president’s and vice president’s official capacity, and does not serve as the president’s personal attorney. Therefore, controversy has emerged over the scope of the [attorney–client privilege](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney%E2%80%93client_privilege) between the counsel and the president and vice president, namely with [John Dean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dean) of Watergate notoriety. > **[White House Counsel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Counsel)** > > The White House counsel is a senior staff appointee of the president of the United States whose role is to advise the president on all legal issues concerning the president and their administration. The White House counsel also oversees the Office of White House Counsel, a team of lawyers and support staff who provide legal guidance for the president and the White House Office. At least when White House counsel is advising the president on legal matters pertaining to the duties or prerogatives ... ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1735 "2022-07-09T13:04:58Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I doubt they got much from Cipollone except corroboration of other testimony. Someone on TV is saying that Cipollone has provided new information, so maybe they got more than I surmised out of him. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1736 "2022-07-09T13:37:41Z")
The big deal about Patsy Baloney is that he was publicly called out and complied. It may not be a big news day for the J6C. May not bring much to you and I. Perhaps all he did was not deny a single thing already testified to. But to those involved, seeing this happen is incredibly demoralizing and confusing: _“what is my exposure now? I never saw that Cassidy woman but barely, but I talked to Cip every damned day! Shit. I really need to call Jim, see if he can handle this and if not, I’ll find the best attorney in DC who can…”_ ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1737 "2022-07-09T14:55:17Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > the best attorney in DC who can…” Would that just be a criminal defense lawyer, or a specific branch of law? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1738 "2022-07-09T16:02:10Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I doubt they got much from Cipollone except corroboration of other testimony. At least it’ll be direct rather than all those “hear-say” objections the right is spinning now. Aw, who am I trying to kid. CFSG could testify himself saying, “Yes! I unleashed the Bully Boys and Oathbreakers on the Capitol to break up the EC count and keep me as President! And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for that meddling Vice-President!” They’d just say the Deep State drugged him or bribed him or beamed 5G into his head to make him say those things. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1739 "2022-07-09T16:32:53Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > They’d just say the Deep State drugged him or bribed him or beamed 5G into his head to make him say those things. No, I think they’d be fine with what he said. No need to make excuses for it. “Damn right, and I did it all to protect our nation and make it great again!” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1740 "2022-07-10T14:33:35Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Would that just be a criminal defense lawyer, or a specific branch of law? It would be ‘not one paid by Trump’. That ship has sailed. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/1741 "2022-07-10T14:49:49Z")
Going back to the question of whether Trump believes what he is saying on the Big Lie, I was curious if Trump ever admitted to not believing in the Deep State? We can demonstrate that he increased funding to the Deep State FBI, signed laws that maintained the domestic spying powers of the FBI, gave both the CIA and FBI greater autonomy than Obama had, and that he let someone else choose Wray and didn’t seem to care too much about cleaning up the intelligence community. From his actions, I can’t think of a single item of evidence to support the idea that Trump believes in the Deep State. Has he ever **said** , though, that it’s just a bunch of nonsense? Or has he been very consistent in both public and private about espousing a belief while making policy choices that belie those statements? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940.md?page=88)