# Jan Brewer: liar and hypocrite **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2012, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837 "2012-01-27T06:18:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/41 "2012-01-27T20:51:37Z")
So Brewer wagging a finger in Obama’s face is no problem, but Obama walking away from a finger being wagged in his face is beyond the pale? What exactly \*is \*the protocol? Just stand there and take it? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/42 "2012-01-27T21:00:10Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > So Brewer wagging a finger in Obama’s face is no problem, but Obama walking away from a finger being wagged in his face is beyond the pale? What exactly \*is \*the protocol? Just stand there and take it? Well, yeah. Otherwise people will call you “uppity”. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/43 "2012-01-27T21:02:54Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I think her statement saying that she felt threatened was the most loathsome part. Threatened? What did she think he was going to do to her? Why, exactly, did she feel threatened by him? I could make a few guesses. This. That’s some racist, coded language bullshit right there. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/44 "2012-01-27T21:16:56Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Was she “having a conversation” with those people? Well, let’s see… words were spoken… information was sought and in return information was given both via spoken word… yeah, I’d call that a conversation. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/45 "2012-01-27T21:17:25Z")
I’d say that if Magda is so easily “threatened” she’s a bit too much of a delicate flower to be governor. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/46 "2012-01-27T21:26:31Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > This. That’s some racist, coded language bullshit right there. I can’t remember where I read it, but someone somewhere recently commented that the “dog-whistle racism has morphed into vuvuzela racism.” A white female governor saying she felt threatened by a black male president, at a public event in front of lots of other people? They’re not even trying to hide it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/47 "2012-01-27T22:34:07Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Brewer characterized Obama’s walking away from her without responding as disrespectful to her. In a conversation, yes. In the linked video there was no conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/48 "2012-01-27T22:47:36Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > This. That’s some racist, coded language bullshit right there. This may just be because I’m gettting horrifically cynical in my old age, but I’d be surprised to find out she has the conviction or the depth of character to be racist at all, much less stealth racist. Racism, nasty as it is, is still essentially a belief. Those things take time and effort to maintain. Even denial is still a thought process. She’s a Palin politician, using politics to sell herself as a product. All she knew was that it was a shiny hook to get attention for her book and herself. Once she’s no longer a governor, she’ll make the pundit rounds and occasionally make noise about running again just to keep people interested and keep the speaking fees up. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/49 "2012-01-27T23:07:43Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > In a conversation, yes. In the linked video there was no conversation. You must use a different definition for “conversation” than, oh, any dictionary of the English language in existence. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/50 "2012-01-27T23:12:52Z")
You know what isn’t a conversation? Some harpie wagging a finger in your face; that’s a berating. I’d have walked away too, after I called her a “cunt” under my breath, that is. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/51 "2012-01-27T23:13:47Z")
> [@Gukumatz](#): > > I’m sorry, what’s the big deal here? Going by the title and what it inferred, I came into the thread ready to believe that she gave him the one-finger salute. Not that she actually just _pointed_ at him. > > I mean, he’s the President - not the King. It’s not even that he’s the President. These are two adults in a professional setting. Putting your finger in someone’s face is inappropriate. However, the appropriate response to that is to just walk away. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/52 "2012-01-27T23:18:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You must use a different definition for “conversation” than, oh, any dictionary of the English language in existence. Sure. In your dictionary a press conference is a “conversation” too? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/53 "2012-01-27T23:38:51Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Sure. In your dictionary a press conference is a “conversation” too? Yes. But if you wish to stake your claim on the narrowest possible definition of the word, let’s say it isn’t… in a press conference, there is even MORE of an expectation that one will respond to questions than there is in a one-on-one chat. I.e., she was being more disrespectful, and to more people, than Obama allegedly was to her. Sorry. A lot of heroes have fallen lately, and I know it must hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/54 "2012-01-28T00:22:00Z")
The Arizona Republic newspaper has a copy of Jan Brewer’s hand written letter to Obama, which she tried to not have released. I think she misspelled ‘America’. [http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/01/26/20120126brewer-obama-letter-photo-exchange.html](http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/01/26/20120126brewer-obama-letter-photo-exchange.html) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/55 "2012-01-28T01:54:53Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Sure. In your dictionary a press conference is a “conversation” too? Why don’t you explain to me how a press conference isn’t a conversation? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/56 "2012-01-28T02:07:51Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Why don’t you explain to me how a press conference isn’t a conversation? the candidate will take no more questions at this time. Thank you for coming. Really, buddy. Is this the first time you’ve seen somebody walk away from the press while they still shouted questions? The president does it all the time. The press secretary comes out, says “we won’t be taking any more questions” and the president walks off as the press corps shouts “Mr. President! Mr. President!” as they try to get one last question in. All politicians, football coaches, and lawyers do this. There is plenty to criticize ole Jan, here but you and **Vinyl Turnip** are reaching here and being more than a little pedantic. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/57 "2012-01-28T02:10:43Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > the candidate will take no more questions at this time. Thank you for coming. > > Really, buddy. Is this the first time you’ve seen somebody walk away from the press while they still shouted questions? The president does it all the time. The press secretary comes out, says “we won’t be taking any more questions” and the president walks off as the press corps shouts “Mr. President! Mr. President!” as they try to get one last question in. > > All politicians, football coaches, and lawyers do this. There is plenty to criticize ole Jan, here but you and **Vinyl Turnip** are reaching here and being more than a little pedantic. You’ll note that in the video, she doesn’t announce that the conversation is over; she simply walks away after saying “thank you”. The thing is, Gov. Brewer said that she would never walk away from a conversation. Yet clearly she would, and has. That’s (one reason) why I [del]called her a liar and a hypocrite[/del] noted that she is a liar and a hypocrite.. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/58 "2012-01-28T02:35:42Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The thing is, Gov. Brewer said that she would never walk away from a conversation. Yet clearly she would, and has. Clearly she hasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/59 "2012-01-28T02:36:37Z")
It was genius. Pure genius. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/60 "2012-01-28T02:39:10Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > I think she misspelled ‘America’. It looks like “Jmerica” or “Imerica” or “dmerica” but I think actually she just makes her cursive capital letter A oddly, starting with a curved upstroke from the left. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837.md?page=4)