# Jan Brewer: liar and hypocrite **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2012, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837 "2012-01-27T06:18:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/81 "2012-01-31T18:13:11Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > As opposed to wagging your finger in someone’s face, which is pure class. > > Of course, I imagine that standing still and letting others berate you probably comprises the majority of your social life. Didn’t you see? She wasn’t wagging her finger, she was telling him he had “one more year”. Obviously much classier. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/82 "2012-01-31T18:14:32Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Walking away in mid-sentence is just boorishness. The small-minded pettiness was Obama bringing up the perceived slight he received in Brewer’s book. a) he didn’t bring it up out of the blue; Brewer was like a summons server. Instead of just meeting him at the airport like a normal person, she ambushed him with a letter requesting a personal meeting. That was when he said he wasn’t happy about her account of their previous meeting. b) it wasn’t a perceived slight in her book, it was a total trashing of him. And from most accounts, including her own before she wrote the book, it was totally false. > [@](#): > > I bet Obama also egosurfs at night. Little petty man. And do you base this on your intimate personal knowledge of him, or do you just rely on Jan Brewer’s opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/83 "2012-01-31T18:22:52Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Walking away in mid-sentence is just boorishness. The small-minded pettiness was Obama bringing up the perceived slight he received in Brewer’s book. Brewer says he walked away mid-sentence. The other three people there say he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/84 "2012-01-31T18:24:17Z")
> [@brocks](#): > > And do you base this on your intimate personal knowledge of him, or do you just rely on Jan Brewer’s opinion? Pfft. **Terr** doesn’t have to let “facts” get in the way of his having an opinion about something. Heck, he doesn’t even seem to need “information” to get in the way of forming an opinion about something. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/85 "2012-01-31T21:13:25Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Pfft. **Terr** doesn’t have to let “facts” get in the way of his having an opinion about something. Heck, he doesn’t even seem to need “information” to get in the way of forming an opinion about something. Oh, shut the fuck up. All the guy did is quibble about how he doesn’t think talking to the media is a “conversation”. You, however, seized on that minor thing so bad that you have lost the point of your OP. Get back to calling Jan a bitch (because she decidedly is one) and stop arguing against **Terr** over this minor, minor bullshit. Call Jan a bitch. I will be with you on that, but good lord, just get back to your OP. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/86 "2012-01-31T21:21:32Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Who really gives a flying fuck if Brewer has walked away from a verifiable “conversation” or not? seconded ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/87 "2012-01-31T22:03:14Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > Who really gives a flying fuck if Brewer has walked away from a verifiable “conversation” or not? > [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > seconded Well, apparently **Terr** does, since he’s the one who contested the term. I’m just trying to help the poor idiot with his English language comprehension skills, in case he wants to run for office in Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/88 "2012-01-31T22:24:36Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Walking away in mid-sentence is just boorishness. The small-minded pettiness was Obama bringing up the perceived slight he received in Brewer’s book. And wagging your finger in the face of anyone much less the president is perfect manners. As is whinging to the press (and possbily lieing) about it in order to drive up book sales. > [@](#): > > I bet Obama also egosurfs at night. Little petty man. Yeah. Because being the President of the United States of America, he needs to make sure people are paying attention to him. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/89 "2012-02-01T00:26:59Z")
n/m ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/90 "2012-02-01T00:45:16Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > A conversation is an oral exchange of ideas, information and/or opinions. No it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/91 "2012-02-01T00:49:25Z")
Can’t we all just agree that Terr and Bo are both belaboring a moot point, and that wolves would be embarrassed to have raised Jan Brewer? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/92 "2012-02-01T02:42:29Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Walking away in mid-sentence is just boorishness. The small-minded pettiness was Obama bringing up the perceived slight he received in Brewer’s book. > > I bet Obama also egosurfs at night. Little petty man. Do you really? This has got to be, hands down, the most rock-stupid thing said on the Dope in years. Seriously, think about what you just said. Is it just complex reasoning ability that you lack, or do your emotions just overwhelm you in this particular instance? Are you, perhaps, a middle schooler, but not one nearly as bright as our resident precocious conservative? That would explain the lack of basic knowledge of how the world in general works, and how media and public affairs in general work. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/93 "2012-02-01T02:56:43Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Do you really? I am reasonably certain he does not. Sounds like a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/94 "2012-02-01T03:04:57Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I am reasonably certain he does not. Sounds like a joke. I’m not certain at all. “Yeah, I was joking, that’s the ticket … _joking_.” ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/95 "2012-02-01T03:12:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > No it isn’t. I’m sorry, you haven’t paid for your five minute argument yet. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/96 "2012-02-01T03:20:25Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I am reasonably certain he does not. Sounds like a joke. Which part? The part about egosurfing - no, it’s not a joke. It’s an exaggeration. Based on the Brewer incident it is very clear that Obama is extremely sensitive to how others describe him, and keeps track of it. The part about the Obama’s small-minded pettiness of bringing up Brewer’s book in response to her invitation - dead serious. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/97 "2012-02-01T03:28:03Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > I think what **Kerr** is getting at is that being surrounded by members of the press with video cameras peppering questions at you is fundamentally different from “having a conversation” and the rules are not the same. Saying something like “No further questions! Thank you!” can be fine to a group of reporters, but it would be a bit absurd if that’s how you had a conversation with a co-worker. > > “Hey, what’s your opinion of corporate’s new TRS report requirements?” > “No further questions! Thank you!” > > That said, I’m not defending Jan, I just don’t think the parallel between her walking away from a press ambush and Obama allegedly walking away from her is a very good one. It’s a bit of a stretch to argue the two are the same, and it is kinda pointless as well. There is so much she can already be taken to task for over this that you don’t really need to make such a stretch of a comparison anyway. Yep. Hate to do a “me too” post, but you nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/98 "2012-02-01T03:30:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Well, apparently **Terr** does, since he’s the one who contested the term. I’m just trying to help the poor idiot with his English language comprehension skills, in case he wants to run for office in Arizona. Um, no. Apparenlty you do, because you are the one that characterized Brewer’s interaction with the press as a “conversation.” So far you have failed miserably to support that characterization. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/99 "2012-02-01T03:33:38Z")
I think about here is where I just shoot myself in the head. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837/100 "2012-02-01T03:41:09Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Exchange implies both ways. And as I said, anyone who in the desperate defense of Obama’s pettiness gets to the point of claiming that a press conference is a conversation is an idiot. **A Monkey With a Gun** futilely tried to explain to you your stupidity but you seem to be immune. Casting pearls before the swine etc… Why don’t you guys drop this subject? You’re wasting electrons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-brewer-liar-and-hypocrite/610837.md?page=6)