# Jane Fonda Cancels Bus Tour **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2005, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494 "2005-09-07T10:40:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/21 "2005-09-07T19:26:46Z")
Whoops, missed the salient bit: > [@](#): > > “We wanted to make a statement because we feel the air show is a major recruiting gimmick. Our theme for the weekend will be: Real angels don’t drop bombs,” Gagnon said. All righty. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/22 "2005-09-07T20:03:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Perhaps that is why it was originally in IMHO. A mod moved it to the pit. Er, because it was deemed to be more of a Pitting, one presumes. Anyway, if it makes you feel better, I’ll decry it for being an especially lame IMHO thread. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/23 "2005-09-07T20:17:24Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I’m vaguely aware there’s a group of soldier’s Moms that feel differently about the war than Cindy but is there actually a organized, formal assualt by the right on her? Just curious. Soldier’s mom’s? The “You Don’t Speak For Me, Cindy” tour was organized by none other than right wing extremist Sal Russo, who also brought us Move America Forward, and the Grey Davis recall campaign: > **[Move America Forward](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Move_America_Forward)** > > Move America Forward is a nonprofit military charity based in Sacramento, California. Howard Kaloogian, Melanie Morgan and Sal Russo established the organization in 2004. The organization supports front-line United States Armed Forces troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. > Sal Russo, Melanie Morgan and Howard Kaloogian formed Move America Forward in 2004. > In 2005, the organization took its first trip to Iraq called Voices of Soldiers tour. Soldiers were interviewed to share their stories in ... > [@](#): > > Move America Forward was established in May 2004 by former Republican assemblyman Howard Kaloogian and Melanie Morgan, a talk show host at KSFO 560 AM, both of whom now serve as Move America Forward’s co-chairmen.\*\* Move America Forward’s website was paid for and run by Russo Marsh & Rogers,[1] a Sacramento-based political public relations firm with strong ties to the Republican party. Sal Russo, a principle in Russo Marsh & Rogers, served as advisor for the “Recall Grey Davis” campaign and serves currently as “Chief Strategist” with Move America Forward. Russo also worked on the political campaigns of Ronald Reagan, Alfonse M. D’Amato, George Pataki, Jack Kemp, and Orrin Hatch.\*\* > > Prominent Move America Forward campaigns have included lobbying and various media advertisements calling for the recall of former California governor Gray Davis, restricting the distribution of the Michael Moore film Fahrenheit 911, the closing of the US/Mexico border (the MAF’s “Secure Our Borders” campaign) and the ending of amnesty programs to illegal immigrants (through [nomoreamnesty.com](http://nomoreamnesty.com)), and its recent support of John R. Bolton, an outspoken critic of the United Nations, to serve as the US representative to the United Nations.\*\* In August 2005, Move America Forward sponsored a “You don’t speak for me, Cindy!” tour to counter Cindy Sheehan’s protest at President Bush’s Crawford, Texas, ranch (and the vigils in support of Sheehan that were held around the country).\*\* Some soldier’s mom’s were conscripted to provide credibility, but the organization is definitely an organized right-wing production. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/24 "2005-09-07T20:42:14Z")
Well, it appears that Iraq war protester Cindy has taken a turn from protesting the war to protesting the LA relief effort\*. So one “soldier’s mom”, if protesting the war was indeed her original agenda, has moved on. - She is helping distibute needed supplies in the sticken area. There is no indication that this move is going to turn into a political grandstand, yet. I won’t say she is protesting until she actually releases a statement to that effect\*\*. \*\* Even if she is protesting/grandstanding, if she can actually provide relief efforts, then that’s fine. It will be interesting to see how political her relief efforts become. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/25 "2005-09-07T20:43:47Z")
I would just like to apologize for bringing up Cindy Sheehan in a thread aimed at Jane Fonda. I wasn’t trying to hijack: just trying to point out that a similar high-profile protest had also been cancelled. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/26 "2005-09-07T20:48:39Z")
Jane Fonda was hot in “Barbarella”. I don’t give a dang which way your politics lean. And Anita Pallenberg, too. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/27 "2005-09-07T20:49:49Z")
> [@Duke of Rat](#): > > Jane Fonda was hot in “Barbarella”. I don’t give a dang which way your politics lean. And Anita Pallenberg, too. She also looked great in that bikini in _ **On Golden Pond** _ ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2005, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/28 "2005-09-08T04:39:44Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > It took a little digging, but I found this: > > [http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/local/050830blueangels.shtml](http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/local/050830blueangels.shtml) > > > [@](#): > > > > Gagnon says fighter jets like those of the Blue Angels are used to bomb military targets, and the P-3 Orions that fly out of Brunswick help identify those targets. He claims that innocent civilians often end up getting killed as a result. > > So there you go. Seems to me to be a bit of a silly way to make your point, akin to protesting outside Coca-Cola HQ to fight tooth decay, but to each their own I suppose. If it helps, P-3 are used for anti-submarine warfare. I don’t recall hearing that the any of the people we are fighting have any subs. Not to many places to use a sub Iraq or Afganistan. Furthermore, in the middle of the ocean where subs are found, you find very few cililians, innocent or otherwise. :smack: :wally I can understand and respect other peoples views, but I have a real problems with idiots that don’t know what they are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/29 "2005-09-09T02:24:53Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > If it helps, P-3 are used for anti-submarine warfare. I don’t recall hearing that the any of the people we are fighting have any subs. Not to many places to use a sub Iraq or Afganistan. Furthermore, in the middle of the ocean where subs are found, you find very few cililians, innocent or otherwise. :smack: :wally > I can understand and respect other peoples views, but I have a real problems with idiots that don’t know what they are talking about. But Rick, it’s not about Iraq. It’s about war and the use of the military at all! After all, those of us in uniform are supposed to be like the Palace Guard. You know, a tourist thing? ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/30 "2005-09-13T17:54:37Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > I would just like to apologize for bringing up Cindy Sheehan in a thread aimed at Jane Fonda. I wasn’t trying to hijack: just trying to point out that a similar high-profile protest had also been cancelled. Not for long, it seems…she’s going to be in Raleigh this Thursday. Specifically, she’ll be setting up shop at NC State in the Brickyard. The article says hurricane donations are welcome at some speech she’s having later on that evening, but the whole purpose of the event seems to be protesting Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/31 "2005-09-13T18:07:54Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > She didn’t raise Casey anyway. [_FALSE._](http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehan.asp) A flat out lie cut from whole cloth. As opposed to the other distortions. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494/32 "2005-09-13T18:12:36Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > [_FALSE._](http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehan.asp) > > A flat out lie cut from whole cloth. As opposed to the other distortions. Yep. In case it’s not clear, please note I was only offering that as an example of what the attack dogs are saying. I think it’s reprehensible to malign a women who is only stating her opinion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-fonda-cancels-bus-tour/320494.md?page=1)