# "Jane Roe" wants Roe vs Wade overturned **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 17, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556 "2003-06-17T21:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/41 "2003-06-21T17:42:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > \*\*lesse here now… > > Yer a bunch of misogynists…yeah that’s it! (with small penises to boot!!) There are no anti choice women. If there are…they’re under some mind control thing from their repressive husband. > > You only care about life INSIDE the womb…once it’s born you could care less. And of COURSE you only care about the birth mother so far as she is an incubation chamber. You could give a shit about her otherwise. > > How am I doing so far? 😉 \*\* Not bad…but you forgot the one about “pro-life” being about punishing women for promiscuity. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tekneek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Tekneek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tekneek)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/42 "2003-06-21T17:53:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben Hicks \* > \*\*I’m pro-life and anti the death penalty…except when used judiciously against people who exhume tired Chestnut ‘arguments’. > > I’m happy with my level of consistency. \*\* Maybe I have not been here long enough, but what are “Chestnut arguments” exactly? I wasn’t making something up. I do actually know some Pro-Lifer Pro-Death penalty people, and have long got the impression there were a lot of other people who agree with that. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/43 "2003-06-21T18:03:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tekneek \* > \*\*Maybe I have not been here long enough, but what are “Chestnut arguments” exactly? > > I wasn’t making something up. I do actually know some Pro-Lifer Pro-Death penalty people, and have long got the impression there were a lot of other people who agree with that. \*\* Note [#6](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=chestnut): > [@](#): > > \*\* > chest·nut ( P ) Pronunciation Key (chsnt, -nt) > n. > > 1. > > ``` > a. Any of several deciduous trees of the genus Castanea native to northern temperate regions, having alternate simple toothed leaves, and nuts that are enclosed in a prickly husk. > b. The often edible nut of any of these trees. > c. The wood of any of these trees. > > ``` > > 2. Any of several other plants, such as the horse chestnut. > 3. A moderate to deep reddish brown. > 4. A reddish-brown horse. > 5. A small hard callus on the inner surface of a horse’s foreleg. > 6. An old, frequently repeated joke, story, or song. \*\*Glad to have you aboard, but it would behoove you not to make broad generalizations based on personal experience. ---
**Author:** ![Tekneek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Tekneek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tekneek)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/44 "2003-06-21T18:08:20Z")
Hmmm. I could say something about those arguments being used in virtually every thread here, but that would be another one of your beloved ‘chestnut’ arguments, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Hicks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@Ben\_Hicks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben_Hicks)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/45 "2003-06-21T18:24:04Z")
But when they are used they’re usually spotted and eviscerated. Life goes on. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/46 "2003-06-21T18:47:34Z")
When I read that the Supreme Court would not consent to hear her appeal for relief of judgement, I felt it was the right decision. Without taking a stand on abortion one way or another, I think it’s without question that you come to the right solution _in the right way._ For the justices to have heard her appeal, irregardful of the outcome, would have called the appeal itself into question years from now and it still wouldn’t resolve the issue. Just my opinion, of course. FISH P.S. I kind of like “irregardful.” I may have to patent it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/47 "2003-06-21T18:51:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fish \* > \*\* > P.S. I kind of like “irregardful.” I may have to patent it. 🙂 \*\* If you start spouting **irregardless** as a real word…you qualify for the death penalty under the Ben Hicks regime…and I wouldn’t complain. ---
**Author:** ![Ben\_Hicks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@Ben\_Hicks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben_Hicks)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/48 "2003-06-21T18:55:34Z")
True. [sub]Although the funky sig may provide some room for maneuver :)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Tallayan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Tallayan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tallayan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/49 "2003-06-21T19:29:15Z")
Somebody asked about it earliar and im to lazy to find a quote but anyways. I Believe the baby in the Roe v Wade case was put up for adoption and has not made contact with the mother, don’t have a cite or anything, its just what my teacher told me when i asked him. ---
**Author:** ![liberationsusie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@liberationsusie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/liberationsusie)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/50 "2003-06-21T19:55:51Z")
McCorvey said she was “used” by pro-abortion attorneys in their quest to legalize the procedure. Seeking an abortion at the age of 21, McCorvey made up a story that she had been raped. She was put in touch with two attorneys who aimed to challenge the Texas abortion statute. “Plain and simple, I was used,” she said. “I was a nobody to them. They only needed a pregnant woman to use for their case, and that is it. They cared, not about me, but only about legalizing abortion. Even after the case, I was never respected – probably because I was not an Ivy League-educated, liberal feminist like they were.” What a crybaby! They tried to argue that the Roe v. Wade decision deprived women of protection from dangerous abortions and exposed them to a much greater risk of being pressured into unwanted abortions. Like giving birth isn’t dangerous? Parker presented affidavits from more than 1,000 women who testify having an abortion has had devastating emotional, physical and psychological effects. Having a love-child by some jerk would sure ruin my day! Also, new scientific evidence indicated abortion is associated with more physical and psychological complications for women than were known about in 1973. Pleeease! These are just conservative chicks with a vendetta! While the question, “When does life begin?” was treated as an unanswered philosophical question in 1973, “an explosion of scientific evidence on human life” since then “conclusively answers the question that life begins at conception,” Parker argued. Norma said she was used. But what is she now? She got herself splashed with some water and now is just a submissive tool for the Catholic bishops! As for when human life begins, so what? I could not care less. You cannot tell me that I have to have Billy’s love-child because I had a fun-time sleepover with him. Puppies and kittens are cute too, but we put them to sleep or drown them in the river. Human babies are even more helpless, and you could hardly call their constant crying a rational language. Keep abortion legal. There are already too many restrictions upon us. It makes no sense to say we can kill a fetus but as soon as it pops its head out, it is murder. Forget it! Legalize infanticide and let’s have done with it! Susie [http://www.oamweb.com/misc/susie/love.htm](http://www.oamweb.com/misc/susie/love.htm) ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/51 "2003-06-21T20:23:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by liberationsusie \* > \*\* Keep abortion legal. There are already too many restrictions upon us. It makes no sense to say we can kill a fetus but as soon as it pops its head out, it is murder. Forget it! Legalize infanticide and let’s have done with it! > \*\* (my emphasis) Props for honesty I guess. From her [homepage](http://www.oamweb.com/misc/susie/hospitals.htm) > [@](#): > > We advocate forcing Catholics and others in the anti-CHOICE camp to comply with this list of conditions: > > ``` > * Perform abortions & sterilizations at Catholic hospitals > * Require partial birth infanticide (abortion) procedures > * Referral to specialists for abortions & sterilizations > * Conduct medical research on aborted embryos > * Deny costly medical treatment to defective and/or retarded newborns > * Require abortions of defective and/or retarded unborn "matter" > * Refuse positions to anti-abortion doctors & nurses (at hospitals & schools) > * Criminalize anti-CHOICE speech and activity as dangerous to America > * Allow infanticide for the first 3 years of life (for any cause) > * Perform artificial insemination services for lesbians and others > * Perform amniocentesis for gender screening & selective abortions > * Allow euthanasia in cases of physical and/or emotional distress > * Conduct sex-change operations > * Encourage and conduct stem-cell research from aborted embryos > * Salvage "baby" fetus body parts from abortions for discounts to labs > * Require "toleration" classes for all employees > > ``` and > [@](#): > > Infanticide - Actually, our enemies have it right. Partial birth abortion is infanticide. However, we want to encourage this slippery slope. A poor girl who failed to have an abortion because of fear, uncertainty, or coercion should have the right to kill the immediate discharge from her body. It is proper for a woman to destroy the young leeching parasite against her freedom during the time it is not self-sustainable or practically viable outside the womb. As a wise Australian (male) professor of ethics has remarked: “Logically infanticide should be made legal for at least the first year and maybe up to three years after birth. You cannot be pro-choice and anti-infanticide. It is the same thing.” It seems there may be a few men who have it right! Radical Feminism…it’s whats for breakfast! ---
**Author:** ![thatDDperson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@thatDDperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thatDDperson)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/52 "2003-06-22T02:20:27Z")
Ya know, for a former carnival worker that had already adopted out a couple of babies, that third pregnancy ol’ Norma wanted to end was more about stupidity than lying. Also, there was a Texas Monthly article about her about 12 years back. She’d been, at various times, a lesbian, an ardent feminist, an abortion clinic worker, the girlfriend of a national anti-abortion group leader, a “holy-roller” Christian, and now, a Catholic. The article (for which I searched, but could not access) was as kind as possible, but basically stated that she was easily influenced and easily led, and that Weddington had invested major amounts of personal funds in keeping her sheltered, clothed, sane and alive at various times for a number of years. I remember her radical lesbian phase from attending a pro-choice rally at which she spoke. She’s become much more eloquent over time, as her education level at the time Ms. Weddinton started helping her was abysma And for the gentleman that felt it was necessary to debunk the spectre of deaths from back-alley abortions…how many are necessary to be significant? Twenty a year? A hundred? A thousand? Or maybe just one? Your sister, or mine? Here I deleted a lot of personal/family information that basically boils down to this: Let him who is without sin (ANY SIN) cast the first stone. When YOU are able to conceive a child, then it is your decision about what to do with your body. Norma NcCovey changed her mind when she could no longer get pregnant. And this is a decision between a woman (and her partner, assuming that he’s involved enough to care) and her physician. Just as I would not presume to introject my beliefs into another persons medical care, I would expect others to have the same courtesy for everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![thatDDperson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@thatDDperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thatDDperson)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/53 "2003-06-22T02:23:33Z")
I need to learn to proofread better or clean my glasses more often… ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/54 "2003-06-22T02:45:10Z")
> [@](#): > > "We advocate **forcing** Catholics and others in the anti-CHOICE camp to comply with this list of conditions: " (Emphasis added) So much for the almighty power of “choice,” then. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/55 "2003-06-22T03:03:36Z")
**Beagledave** , from what I’ve seen of **Liberationsuzie** she’s a whack-job even by my far left wing lights. Her site is not representative of the pro-choice movement. That stuff is kind of our equivilent of radcal pro-life sites that put out “wanted” style mug shots of abortion doctors and cross out the murdered ones with X’s. You know where I stand on the abortion issue but even I would disavow myself of the sentiments expressed on that site. ---
**Author:** ![Dragonstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@Dragonstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragonstar)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/56 "2003-06-22T03:24:15Z")
My understanding of pre-Roe v. Wade abortion laws is that many women from no abortion states traveled to states where abortion was legal, in order to get abortions. Abortion therefore might be said to affect interstate commerce because it brings business to other states, using highways, railways, hotels/motels, gas stations, restaurants. Interstate commerce is a Federal question and therefore it’s appropriate for the Supreme Court to rule thereupon. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/57 "2003-06-22T03:44:43Z")
Regulating “interstate commerce” is within the constitutional purview of Congress, not the Supreme Court. _See_ Article I, section 8. Due Process, however, is undeniably a matter for the courts. Hence, _Roe_. ---
**Author:** ![liberationsusie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@liberationsusie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/liberationsusie)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/58 "2003-06-22T12:58:02Z")
Abortion is very commercial. Given these difficult times, we should be supporting such a fruitful ministry. Indeed, economic analysists admit that if abortion was properly considered a business, it would rank within the Fortune 500 Listing. A few years ago, Prell Shampoo got in trouble because of “animal protein” in their product. The animal rights activists got involved and then pulled back when they found out that the “animal protein” was human and fetal. Okay, then the anti-abortionists got into the act and they had to change the formula. I might cut my hair close to the skin, but I was going to grow my hair back just so I could use the product. They lost business when they capitulated to the anti-choice forces. A clinic with which I was associated used to make quite a bit of money with abortions. It gave us the lifestyle we always wanted and had a right to-- is this not the land of opportunity? Anyway, we made money coming and going. We got seed money from Planned Parenthood and made big bucks from the women who came to us. Clinics also make money with the byproduct. Unless there is saline contamination, and even then there are things that can be done, the various remains can be sold to research labs. There is even a catalogue that charges different prices for fetal parts at various stages of development. You can get rich from this alone. It is not considered a human with rights, so it does not matter. So remember, keeping abortion legal means “mo money, mo money!” Coincidentally, partial birth abortion (really infanticide–hehe) means early retirement and a life of the rich and famous! Susie ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/59 "2003-06-22T13:23:27Z")
Susie, you are just so–_outrageous!_ Wow, never has this board seen the likes of you! I am _stunned!_ Gosh! Gasp! Gee-willikers! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556/60 "2003-06-22T13:58:28Z")
I’m starting to think that **liberationsusie** is really a pro-lifer posing as a cartoon caricature of an extreme feminist in an effort to shock everyone and make us think that all those pro-choicers must be crazy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jane-roe-wants-roe-vs-wade-overturned/182556.md?page=4)