# January 20, 2017 through January 20, 2021 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 21, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955 "2023-12-21T22:54:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dodgy\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dodgy\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dodgy_Dude)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/1 "2023-12-21T22:54:44Z")
What SPECIFIC things happened between those dates that justify the insane hatred half the country has for Trump? Seriously, give a few details. What ACTUAL events/conditions/situations occurred between those dates must absolutely NEVER be allowed to happen ever again? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/2 "2023-12-21T23:01:19Z")
Families separated and children put in cages. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/3 "2023-12-21T23:02:38Z")
He’s breathing my air. That’s gotta stop. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/4 "2023-12-21T23:05:39Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/5 "2023-12-21T23:06:45Z")
> [@Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > What SPECIFIC things happened between those dates that justify the insane hatred half the country has for Trump? His mismanagement of the Covid crisis and bullshit beliefs in Ivermectin and swallowing bleach led to a significantly higher death rate among Republicans than Democrats. I can go on, but I will leave the fact that 3x as many Americans per capita died of Covid than Canadians and that includes the fact that Canada completely screwed the pooch at managing Covid outbreaks in long-term care homes in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/6 "2023-12-21T23:07:13Z")
A Presidential candidate colluding on an act of war by a foreign country to control the US. Three autocratic Supreme Court justices, including another probable rapist. An attempt to violently overthrow democracy in the US. That a good start? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/7 "2023-12-21T23:10:44Z")
> [@Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > What SPECIFIC things happened between those dates that justify the insane hatred half the country has for Trump? Is an attempted coup not specific enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/8 "2023-12-21T23:13:07Z")
-Appointed unqualified family members (as well as charlatans and bigots) to important government positions -Deliberately separating children from their families to punish them and dissuade other migrants – this action alone likely created hundreds of orphans, and we may never know the full extent. -Attempted to pressure the Ukrainian president to help Trump politically by pretending to dig up dirt on his opponent in exchange for military aid (which resulted in his first impeachment) -Called white supremacists in Charlottesville “very fine people” -Pardoned some truly terrible people -Attempted to overthrow a lawful election in which he lost (resulting in his second impeachment) There’s much, much more, of course. This is just a tiny taste, but more than enough to make him, by far, the worst president in my lifetime (and one of the worst in American history). ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/9 "2023-12-21T23:17:29Z")
Just go read through the Trump Clusterf\*ck thread(s) in the Pit. That should give you some idea. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/10 "2023-12-21T23:20:53Z")
He did a lot of things to anger me, first of all separating kids from families at the border. But to me the final straw was his active attempt to completely sabotage democracy. That isn’t at all an exaggeration. When he realized he was going to lose, his reaction was to convince as many people as possible that voting doesn’t work because everything is rigged. He then went so far as to try to sneak in fake electoral votes and gather a mob of people to attack the capitol to stop his opponent from being certified. He is literally an enemy of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/11 "2023-12-21T23:22:48Z")
> [@Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > What SPECIFIC things happened between those dates that justify the insane hatred half the country has for Trump? Nothing can justify hatred. The worst specific action, from the early part of his administration, may be the Muslim travel ban (Executive Order 13769). The worst from the last part may be [What Trump Asked of Pence](https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/what-trump-asked-of-pence/). An example: > [@](#): > > **Jan. 1, 2021** : Trump called Pence and “berated him because he had learned that the Vice President had opposed a lawsuit seeking a judicial decision that, at the certification, the Vice President had the authority to reject or return votes to the states under the Constitution.” Pence told Trump he didn’t think there was any constitutional authority for that. In response, Trump reportedly told Pence, “You’re too honest.” ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/12 "2023-12-21T23:31:12Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Nothing can justify hatred. What’s that supposed to mean? Of course it can. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/13 "2023-12-21T23:35:07Z")
> [@Dodgy\_Dude](#): > > Seriously, give a few details. What ACTUAL events/conditions/situations occurred between those dates must absolutely NEVER be allowed to happen ever again? When we’re done this thread, I’d love a similar review of what President Biden has done that would justify an impeachment inquiry. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/14 "2023-12-21T23:35:22Z")
He activated and encouraged the very, very worst people in the United States. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/15 "2023-12-21T23:57:54Z")
Closed pending review. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-20-2017-through-january-20-2021/994955/16 "2023-12-22T00:01:16Z")
Warning for @Dodgy_Dude for trolling the board again. This is a repeat of a thread that he caused a lot of problem with in April. > [@I don't understand the intensity of the hatred for Trump](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-understand-the-intensity-of-the-hatred-for-trump/982150): > > I understand the left and the right not liking each other; that’s just business-as-usual for a two-party system. But when he was president it seemed as if I heard “Trump is literally Hitler!” every day of his presidency. Can someone explain - calmly and without exaggeration - exactly/specifically/precisely what Trump has done to drive his haters into such a frenzy? He gives every appearance of trolling the board by repeating it and not willful ignorance. I will also be bringing this up to the modloop to review his posting privileges.