# January 2014, Botticelli **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 2, 2014, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669 "2014-01-02T00:56:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/241 "2014-01-11T23:45:37Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > IQ: Did you write about overgrown produce? DQ. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/242 "2014-01-12T00:28:31Z")
That was Roald Dahl. DQ: Award winner? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/243 "2014-01-12T01:30:40Z")
**D** 1. Real 2. Last name does not start with D 3. Male 4. Dead 5. Known for the Arts 6. American 7. Died after 1900 8. Not known for the performing arts 9. Born east of the Mississippi 10. Known primarily as a writer 11. A writer of fiction or non-fiction 12. Did not die before 1960 13. Not born south of the Mason-Dixon Line 14. Unlicensed excerpts from one story were televised 15. Not a science-fiction author 16. Novelist 17. Best-known work not published before 1950 18. Still widely read 19. Died after 1980 20. Appears on best-seller and “Best Books” lists, but apparently not an award winner Aaaaaaaand … that’s 20! Talk it out a bit, and the five of you who have asked DQs (Elendil’s Heir, Prof Pepperwinkle, fanganga, Spoons and etv78) can each ask one DQ of the “Are you Hiram Globetrotter?” variety. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/244 "2014-01-12T02:05:24Z")
Well, we’ve got “fiction or non-fiction,” but not science-fiction; and a novelist, though No. 14 indicated that he also wrote short stories. At least, that my interpretation, since the word “story” was specifically used instead of “novel.” I’m just thinking out loud, but I’m wondering if it’s someone like Paul Gallico, who wrote novels, stories, and novellas (fiction), and did sportswriting as well (non-fiction). There were a lot of writers like Gallico–reporters, columnists, etc.–who also published short fiction in publications like _The Saturday Evening Post_ and similar magazines. Unfortunately, I cannot think of any such D writers at this time. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/245 "2014-01-12T02:18:05Z")
Are you Damon Runyan. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/246 "2014-01-12T02:36:01Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Are you Damon Runyan. I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/247 "2014-01-12T03:38:49Z")
Are you J. D. Salinger? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/248 "2014-01-12T03:46:17Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Are you J. D. Salinger? Yes, I am **Jerome David Salinger** (usually, as you say, called J D Salinger). Bravo! ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/249 "2014-01-12T03:50:57Z")
Wouldn’t that be a “J” or “S”? ---
**Author:** ![JacksMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/839c29/32.png) [@JacksMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacksMom)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/250 "2014-01-12T04:32:42Z")
When it hit #14 I thought of Salinger, but didn’t think it fit as he was called ‘Jerry’ not David. Also, I’ve figured out the rules but I desperately want to know what DQ and IQ mean. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/251 "2014-01-12T04:35:53Z")
IQ is indirect question, about a specific person. DQ is direct question, a yes or no question. ---
**Author:** ![JacksMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/839c29/32.png) [@JacksMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JacksMom)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/252 "2014-01-12T04:58:48Z")
Thanks! I got the gist of it, but was determined to know what the ‘I’ and ‘D’ represented. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/253 "2014-01-12T05:28:48Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Wouldn’t that be a “J” or “S”? Not necessarily. Once, when X was the given letter, and **Le Ministre** was hosting, I asked an IQ about Francis X. Bushman. There was some discussion about whether middle initials were included, and **Le Ministre** answered as follows (you can follow the link in the quote): > [@Botticelli - June 2012](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/botticelli-june-2012/624406/100): > > In the case of ‘x’, I think middle initials will prove necessary if the game isn’t to bog down into ‘Who the Hell else begins with an ‘x’?’ So, it looks like middle initials are fair game; though perhaps we ought to allow DQs such as “Does X begin your first, middle, or last name?” There are individuals, fictional and non fictional, who are little-known by their first names, while their middle names are better known. A few examples would include J. Edgar Hoover, F. Scott Fitzgerald, J. Fenimore Cooper, and the fictional J. Alfred Prufrock. And what do you do about people known by all three names? The kids from the “Home Improvement” TV show come to mind: Zachary Ty Bryan, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, and Taran Noah Smith. And then there is the fictional character Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal, from “Married with Children.” I’m unsure how we’d go with that one–but I’m sure we’d narrow it down somehow. It would seem to me that middle names are fine, as long as DQs can be expanded to allow for a “first, middle, last?” question. Thoughts, anybody? ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/254 "2014-01-12T05:34:29Z")
Sounds fair to me. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/255 "2014-01-12T15:01:13Z")
Welcome JacksMom! I am C! ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/256 "2014-01-12T15:29:52Z")
IQ1: Did you sing “Lipstick on Your Collar”? IQ2: Did you sing “A Summer Song”? IQ3: Did you sing “Five Feet High and Rising”? ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/257 "2014-01-12T15:39:19Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > So, it looks like middle initials are fair game; though perhaps we ought to allow DQs such as “Does X begin your first, middle, or last name?” > > There are individuals, fictional and non fictional, who are little-known by their first names, while their middle names are better known. A few examples would include J. Edgar Hoover, F. Scott Fitzgerald, J. Fenimore Cooper, and the fictional J. Alfred Prufrock. > > And what do you do about people known by all three names? The kids from the “Home Improvement” TV show come to mind: Zachary Ty Bryan, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, and Taran Noah Smith. And then there is the fictional character Miranda Veracruz de la Hoya Cardenal, from “Married with Children.” I’m unsure how we’d go with that one–but I’m sure we’d narrow it down somehow. > > It would seem to me that middle names are fine, as long as DQs can be expanded to allow for a “first, middle, last?” question. Thoughts, anybody? And there are people who are commonly known only by their initials, such as T S Eliot, D H Lawrence, E E Cummings, I M Pei (my last previous choice) and J D Salinger. There were no objections when I used John Philip Sousa as a ‘P’ a while back, since no one ever calls him just “John Sousa,” the same should apply to people whose “common” name includes initials. (Professor Pepperwinkle’s mind seems to work the same way mine does - he was the one who guessed both Sousa and Salinger.) As far as expanding the name question, I don’t know - Botticelli DQs have always been Yes/No questions. I think players should just bear in mind the possibility that “No, my last name doesn’t start with T” doesn’t automatically mean “Yes, my first name does start with T.” ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/258 "2014-01-12T16:25:59Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ1: Did you sing “Lipstick on Your Collar”? > IQ2: Did you sing “A Summer Song”? > IQ3: Did you sing “Five Feet High and Rising”? I am not Connie Francis. Take a DQ for #2. I am not Johnny Cash. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/259 "2014-01-12T16:46:58Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ1: Did you sing “Lipstick on Your Collar”? > IQ2: Did you sing “A Summer Song”? > IQ3: Did you sing “Five Feet High and Rising”? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I am not Connie Francis. > Take a DQ for #2. > I am not Johnny Cash. Correct on Connie Francis. Chad Stuart and Jeremy Clyde - take your pick. 🙂 Correct on Johnny Cash. DQ: Real? IQ1: Are you known as Karl der Grosse in Germany? IQ2: Was your father executed, and your brother forced out of his job? IQ3: Did you play Chon Wang? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669/260 "2014-01-12T18:04:11Z")
> [@SCAdian](#): > > IQ1: Are you known as Karl der Grosse in Germany? > IQ2: Was your father executed, and your brother forced out of his job? > IQ3: Did you play Chon Wang? Y’know, my first thought was Charlemagne, but I’m not him. Take a DQ for #2. I’m not Jackie Chan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-2014-botticelli/677669.md?page=14)