# January 6th Hearing-Adjacent Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 12, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829 "2022-07-12T16:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/481 "2022-10-12T15:55:37Z")
Reminder: Final hearing tomorrow at 1:00! Dealing with the connections between “extremist groups” and Trump’s people. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/482 "2022-10-12T16:05:07Z")
I’d be surprised if this recording doesn’t get mentioned at some point. > [@7 Jan 2021 and beyond - the aftermath of the storming of the Capitol](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/7-jan-2021-and-beyond-the-aftermath-of-the-storming-of-the-capitol/930020/3568): > > Also posted in the Schadenfreude thread in the Pit: CBS has just released audio recorded by police officer Michael Fanone, who tried to prevent the January Insurrection. This audio was recorded at a meeting in June between members of Congress and officers & family of 1/6 police; it highlights Kevin McCarthy attempting to downplay the insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/483 "2022-10-12T18:30:53Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > Final hearing I had thought that there were going to be a few more, so [I checked](https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-09-01/what-is-the-tv-schedule-for-the-next-jan-6-committee-hearings): > Committee Chair Bennie Thompson: Unless something else develops, this hearing at this point is the final hearing, but it’s not in stone because things happen. > Vice Chair Liz Cheney: We don’t anticipate that it will be the last hearing. So, I guess, certainly coming to the end if not **the** end. They’d better make it a doozy. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/484 "2022-10-12T18:31:46Z")
Prime time would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/485 "2022-10-12T18:50:55Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > So, I guess, certainly coming to the end if not **the** end. Maybe it’s [_the end of the beginning_.](https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/winston_churchill_163144) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/486 "2022-10-13T18:45:49Z")
> [@Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2331): > > The committee plans to vote to subpoena Trump, according to reports: Posting this question here because its answer is a highjack from the main thread. So clearly Trump is not actually going to provide any useful information to the committee, but getting him on the stand may open him up to political/legal jeopardy. I fully expect him to ignore the subpeona, and then if forced, either lie or (if he’s smart) plead the fifth. In these cases its pretty clear what the penalties are. Ignore subpeona → contempt, lie-\> purjury, 5th → no legal consequences but possible political consequences. But what if instead Trump does show up but then simply treats it like most politicians approach uncomfortable questions, and just ignores them to blovate. Cheney: President Trump, were you told that members of the crowd at your rally were planning violence? Trump: The election was a sham Biden couldn’t have won D’Souza proved it in his movie. Cheney: would you please answer the question. Trump: all of the allegations against me are categorically untrue. You all know I’m innocent but are part of the deep state conspiracy against me… Is that going to be enough for a contempt charge? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/487 "2022-10-13T18:58:22Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > But what if instead Trump does show up but then simply treats it like most politicians approach uncomfortable questions, and just ignores them to blovate. Most of the testimony to this committee has been behind closed doors. I think they would decide whether it’s worse to give Trump the opportunity to spout off unscripted, or to get closed-door testimony and let Trump go on camera and lie about what happened. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/488 "2022-10-13T19:47:56Z")
From Hearing thread: > [@Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jan-6-hearings-follow-along-commentary-thread-starts-jun-9-2022/965940/2374): > > CNN just now reporting on the safe location where Pelosi and others were for that video we saw earlier. It’s a bunker at Fort McNair. Pelosi’s daughter filmed it. Whoa! That’s pretty heavy. I was wondering how the got there. Found this link: > **[Capitol Siege Shines Light On Vast Underground Tunnel Network](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38593/evacuations-during-capitol-siege-shine-light-on-vast-underground-tunnel-network)** > > A labyrinth of underground passages, some of which date back hundreds of years, connects key buildings beneath Washington. I’ll post this on the Adjacent Thread so as not to hijack discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/489 "2022-10-13T20:06:11Z")
Not sure if this is appropriate in this thread - or somewhere else - but is anyone else feeling deflated and saddened as the result of today’s testimony? I only heard bits and pieces, and read the other thread, but nothing really surprised me. I don’t know what would change the minds of anyone (are there ANY undecideds?) And it is likely next month’s elections will put a halt to these efforts. Or is the hope that the DoJ will take over and pursue action against someone? It is so depressing that this HUGE thing happened, and 1/2 of Congress and a good share of the electorate are just happy to pretend it never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/490 "2022-10-13T20:21:58Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I don’t know what would change the minds of anyone (are there ANY undecideds?) And it is likely next month’s elections will put a halt to these efforts. The MAGA supporters seem to think so. I spotted this, posted about an hour ago, on a right/far-right message board: > [@](#): > > This will be dealt with accordingly when we [MAGA Republicans] retake power and flush the garbage of the last two years out of Washington. That’s just a sampling of the sentiment over there. There’s also much mention made of how Trump will simply ignore a subopena, how this is a Salem witch trial with a predetermined outcome, and a comparison to the Spanish Inquisition. Which, of course, nobody expects. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/491 "2022-10-13T20:52:14Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Most of the testimony to this committee has been behind closed doors. I think they would decide whether it’s worse to give Trump the opportunity to spout off unscripted, or to get closed-door testimony and let Trump go on camera and lie about what happened. Well, we could hope he goes all Colonel Jessup if he goes on camera: [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/iU2gNWF.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/iU2gNWF) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/492 "2022-10-13T21:56:42Z")
A very interesting read. I remember reading that somehow the older buildings of the Smithsonian connect in at some point. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/493 "2022-10-14T02:30:46Z")
So assuming Republicans take the house, and kill the committee - how does that work? Does House leadership kill it unilaterally, or does the house vote? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/494 "2022-10-14T02:46:27Z")
And if they interview him and don’t release it, he can just claim they’re suppressing it. Hashtag “ReleaseTheTrumpTapes” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/495 "2022-10-14T10:59:43Z")
An amusing mixture of commentary in certain corners of Twitter, boiling down to: 1. “Why won’t the committee allow our side to testify?”; and 2. “Why is the committee forcing Trump to testify?”. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/496 "2022-10-14T14:07:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Why won’t the committee allow our side to testify?” To my awareness, Fox News is up and running. They have all of these people’s phone numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/497 "2022-10-14T15:10:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Why won’t the committee allow our side to testify?” Didn’t a majority of the testimony come from Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/498 "2022-10-14T15:36:53Z")
Like a super-duper majority. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/499 "2022-10-14T15:48:36Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Didn’t a majority of the testimony come from Republicans? Who should be dead from alcohol poisoning. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/500 "2022-10-14T16:26:46Z")
When the committee talks about the reasons the January 6th coup attempt failed, they always praise the “courage” of people like Mike Pence and Bill Barr and Jeff Rosen, men who made the “hard” decision not to risk imprisonment for supporting the deranged rantings of a mad man. But there were people that I feel were primarily responsible for foiling this plot that never get any credit. You. Me. Democrats. All the democratically aligned people and organizations that that laughed instead of getting mad, that kept the faith instead of joining the fight. Some people think this coup plot wasn’t serious because they don’t understand how it could’ve worked. Certainly Trump didn’t think he could stay President just by getting a mob to execute Mike Pence, did he? Maybe he thought he could stay President by delaying the certification, but he wouldn’t have needed a mob and a quick reaction force for that, just Mike Pence. Plus, we have Trumps claim that he called for thousand of troops in DC. What WAS Trump’s plan, how did he see this playing out? Here’s what I think was supposed to happen. Trump expected thousands of angry liberals to take the bait and come to DC on January 6th. He wanted massive mob violence, not just at the Capitol but throughout the city. He needed the certification to be disrupted, but he needed to have enough “Antifa” in the mix that he could lay the blame on liberals. And, more importantly, he needed widespread violence throughout DC, violence that would’ve enabled him to invoke the Insurrection Act, declare martial law, and ultimately cancel the inauguration. It’s what he was expecting, it’s what his operatives were expecting, and it’s what the OathKeepers and Proud Boys, with their weapons stashed in nearby hotels, were expecting. But we didn’t show up. No one organized any counter protests. We just stayed home and watched Trump destroy any legacy he might have and deal a devastating blow to the Republican Party. All because we stayed home. I don’t always agree with the “when they go low, we take the high road” strategy, but it worked on January 6th. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829.md?page=26)