# January 6th Hearing-Adjacent Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 12, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829 "2022-07-12T16:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/141 "2022-07-22T04:59:16Z")
There’s another video of Hawley running in the Capitol to the tune of “Gonna Fly Now” from the _Rocky_ movies. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/142 "2022-07-22T05:01:31Z")
Looks like whoever this person is, she’s put together a whole montage. [Mallory Nees on Twitter: “Josh Hawley running away to a variety of soundtracks. Pt. 3: Gonna Fly Now / Rocky https://t.co/d87wlgvY7A” / Twitter](https://twitter.com/The_Mal_Gallery/status/1550290736481984515) ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/143 "2022-07-22T05:06:53Z")
Agree. I am reminded of this quote by H.L. Mencken… “The way to deal with superstition is not to be polite to it, but to tackle it with all arms, and so rout it, cripple it, and make it forever infamous and ridiculous. Is it, perchance, cherished by persons who should know better? Then their folly should be brought out into the light of day, and exhibited there in all its hideousness until they flee from it, hiding their heads in shame. True enough, even a superstitious man has certain inalienable rights. He has a right to harbor and indulge his imbecilities as long as he pleases, provided only he does not try to inflict them upon other men by force. He has a right to argue for them as eloquently as he can, in season and out of season. He has a right to teach them to his children. But certainly he has no right to be protected against the free criticism of those who do not hold them. He has no right to demand that they be treated as sacred. He has no right to preach them without challenge." ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/144 "2022-07-22T05:07:02Z")
Those are hilarious, **WPS**. I’d only seen the Rocky one, so I appreciate the link to the rest. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/145 "2022-07-22T09:49:47Z")
Yes, laugh at that little pip squeak. Watching that smug bastard question KBJ made me so angry. The little fucking traitor should not have even been permitted the honor. And I hope all the merchandise he’s sold with his image of a raised fist comes back to haunt him. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/146 "2022-07-22T12:36:58Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > We’re already getting DeSantis campaign ads for president up here in Oregon. Make of that what you will. Yeah, a while back one of my Facebook conservatives posted “4 years of Trump, 8 years of DeSantis” - that’s a thought to haunt my nightmares. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/147 "2022-07-22T16:17:04Z")
Ok, I get it. The January 6th committee has a point to make, it’s a very valid point that needs to be heard, and they don’t want to dilute it. But as I’ve been watching these hearings and seeing the evidence laid out, it makes the FBI’s inaction, both before and after January 6th, their dereliction of duty, seem even more bizarre. When I think back on that day, and the few days afterward, one thing I remember vividly is the complete and utter silence from federal law enforcement and how unsettling it was. > **[Law enforcement absent from cameras as questions about attack mount | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/feds-absent-public-communications-capitol-attack/index.html)** > > In the wake of the attack on Capitol Hill last week, and myriad questions about how rioters breached the building and what is happening in response, federal law enforcement agencies have yet to brief the public directly. Not to mention that the insurrection was planned in plain sight and everyone that wasn’t swept up in a MAGA delusion knew the stage was set for something really bad. Everyone except the FBI. Then we have Christopher Wray’s bizarre insistence in June 2021, that he didn’t really see a connection between the Capitol riot and Trump’s election loss, and his dismissal of the entire Stop The Steal movement as “scattered online chatter”. He also had some strange ideas about free speech and social media, like that if someone said “Someone needs to execute Mike Pence” instead of “I’m going to kill Mike Pence”, the FBI was obligated to avert their eyes and pretend they didn’t see it in order to protect free speech”. Then this was this story released in August 2021, a blatant attempt to protect Trump, which reflected the same ideas. This old story is all over right wing media today. > **[Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated -...](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/)** > > The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials. I really think Christopher Wray should’ve been fired over this. Not because he was a Trump appointee, but because he was responsible for one of the biggest intelligence failures in American history. Some people will insist that the fact that he is a hard right Federalist Society conservative that Bill Barr handpicked to protect Trump had no bearing on his ability to faithfully execute his oath of office, but I think the facts contradict that. I know that a lot of people, including myself, are frustrated with Garland and the DOJ and their painfully slow investigation, but I think a lot of that rests on the FBI……it’s much harder to prosecute a crime when the cops refuse to investigate it properly and keep saying publicly that there is nothing to investigate, even when publicly available evidence says otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/148 "2022-07-22T16:20:48Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > > [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > > > But I do think they are important because they make him a laughing stock. > > I love the video of Josh Hawley – he of the upraised fist of solidarity – running like a scared rabbit to the tune of _Yakkity Sax_ after the Capitol building was breached. 🤣 “And now for my next impression- Jesse Owens!” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/149 "2022-07-22T17:07:40Z")
They’re all MAGA, Ann. Or at least a critical mass is. One of the things I lamented after Mueller is that we never really thought about the fact that this guy probably went home to watch Fox News every weeknight since, oh, 1998 or so. He did his job and didn’t fight for the results. Bare minimum. Just like these other people. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/150 "2022-07-22T17:46:21Z")
I get what you are saying, but something else has been puzzling me about all this - were any laws broken? Sure those who stormed the Capital broke laws and they are being prosecuted for it. But how strong is the evidence tying Trump and his enablers to those who broke the law? Is whipping-up a crowd who then got out of control and committed crimes, a crime itself? I think that is the case they are trying to make - but what crime is that? Is making ill-advised calls to election officials and congress-people to pressure them to come around and break laws themselves a crime? I mean, it’s Trump’s MO to just pressure people to take risks on his behalf so that if something goes sideways, it was not him at the switch. I guess my question with all this is - what laws did Trump possibly break on Jan 6, 2021? And, is the committee driving to show evidence that laws were broken, and not just present lots of evidence Trump was a bad actor that day? I don’t want all this to be another Mueller Report where it shows Trump is slimy as they come and is compromised as POTUS, but could not find any laws that were broken, and Teflon Don goes on his merry way. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/151 "2022-07-22T17:54:54Z")
trump’s pick for acting attorney general is facing ethics charges. [Ex-DOJ official faces ethics charges for draft election letter that spurred threat of mass resignations (abajournal.com)](https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ex-doj-official-faces-ethics-charges-for-draft-election-letter-that-spurred-threat-of-mass-resignations#:~:text=The%20ethics%20charges%20allege%20that%20Clark%20tried%20to,would%20seriously%20interfere%20with%20the%20administration%20of%20justice.) The ethics charges allege that Clark tried to engage in conduct involving dishonesty by trying to send the letter with false statements, and that Clark tried to engage in conduct that would seriously interfere with the administration of justice. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/152 "2022-07-22T17:55:46Z")
Pretty sure incitement to riot is a federal crime If and how to best pursue charges on that is a different beast of course ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/153 "2022-07-22T18:19:19Z")
Drumpf went on a rampage on Truth Social last night after the hearing. He called Turtle McConnell a ‘disloyal sleaze bag’ and called Liz Cheney ‘a sanctimonious loser.’ Regarding Sarah Matthews: ‘But wasn’t this the same Sarah Matthews, who I don’t know…’. There have been a number of pictures showing Matthews sitting in his office. He accused Hilary and Stacy Abrams of contesting their election losses ‘for a far longer time than I.’ Then he said this: “Why haven’t the Unselects asked for Secret Service corroboration of the so-called ‘choke hold?’" I’m too lazy to look it up, but I don’t recall hearing anybody else refer to a ‘choke hold’ inside the limo. > **[Trump goes on Truth Social rant after Jan. 6 hearing](https://nypost.com/2022/07/22/trump-goes-on-truth-social-rant-after-jan-6-hearing/)** > > Trump took to Truth Social to accuse the panel of spreading “lies” about Jan. 6. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/154 "2022-07-22T18:33:09Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I’m too lazy to look it up, but I don’t recall hearing anybody else refer to a ‘choke hold’ inside the limo. I’m lazy too, but I recall something about Trump grabbing the driver’s throat (possibly/likely didn’t actually manage to grab and certainly not in a ‘choke hold’). ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/155 "2022-07-22T18:40:49Z")
I think the language was something like “lunged toward.” There was much discussion on the board about actual wording when Cassidy Hutchinson first described what she was told. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/156 "2022-07-22T18:43:21Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > He called Turtle McConnell a ‘disloyal sleaze bag’ and called Liz Cheney ‘a sanctimonious loser.’ Just more projection. But boy, do those descriptions ever fit Trump. And besides inciting a riot, we also have sedition - “conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/157 "2022-07-22T18:45:58Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I get what you are saying, but something else has been puzzling me about all this - were any laws broken? Sure those who stormed the Capital broke laws and they are being prosecuted for it. But how strong is the evidence tying Trump and his enablers to those who broke the law? He gathered an armed group of radicals together and directed them to storm the Capitol in hopes that he could stop Biden from being confirmed as his successor. [18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384) > If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, **or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States** , or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. Seditious conspiracy is the crime. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/158 "2022-07-22T18:51:11Z")
Attempted sedition? What kind of crime is that? Do they give out the Nobel Prize for attempted physics? > [@Railer13](#): > > …the Unselects… The Unselects. Gosh, he’s so presidential. (Note, that was a quote from the seditious conspiracist, not from **Railer13** ) ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/159 "2022-07-22T18:52:28Z")
Steve Bannon is Guilty! I’m so happy. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/160 "2022-07-22T18:54:09Z")
> The longtime Donald Trump ally is charged with two counts of criminal contempt for refusing to appear before the Jan. 6 committee. [https://abc30.com/steve-bannon-verdict-trial-today-jan-6/12067479/](https://abc30.com/steve-bannon-verdict-trial-today-jan-6/12067479/) > **[Bannon Found Guilty of Obstructing Jan. 6 Probe](https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-found-guilty-of-obstructing-jan-6-probe)** > > Steve Bannon tried to fight Congress. In the end, he lost badly. It’s a start 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829.md?page=9)