# January 6th Hearing-Adjacent Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 12, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829 "2022-07-12T16:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/161 "2022-07-22T19:09:40Z")
I’m smiling thinking of him being hosed down and de-loused like in Shawshank Redemption. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/162 "2022-07-22T19:14:49Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Steve Bannon is Guilty! > > I’m so happy. Trump never even met the guy! No idea who he is - - maybe used to bring us coffee (sorry covfefe) said Trump when asked about his former advisor being convicted. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/163 "2022-07-22T19:18:33Z")
Woo Hoo! ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/164 "2022-07-22T19:21:11Z")
Is this going to result in endless appeals? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/165 "2022-07-22T19:24:56Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > I’m too lazy to look it up, but I don’t recall hearing anybody else refer to a ‘choke hold’ inside the limo. This is like that scene in the new Dr. Strange movie when Wanda mentions America by name, inadvertantly revealing herself as the villain since he had never mentioned her name. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/166 "2022-07-22T19:27:57Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > trump’s pick for acting attorney general is facing ethics charges. > > [Ex-DOJ official faces ethics charges for draft election letter that spurred threat of mass resignations (abajournal.com)](https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ex-doj-official-faces-ethics-charges-for-draft-election-letter-that-spurred-threat-of-mass-resignations#:~:text=The%20ethics%20charges%20allege%20that%20Clark%20tried%20to,would%20seriously%20interfere%20with%20the%20administration%20of%20justice.) > > The ethics charges allege that Clark tried to engage in conduct involving dishonesty by trying to send the letter with false statements, and that Clark tried to engage in conduct that would seriously interfere with the administration of justice. Upon reading the link, I think this is merely a good first step and after these ethics charges are established, him and his co-conspirator who was going to appoint him as Acting Attorney General should face criminal charges over the plot. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/167 "2022-07-22T20:23:55Z")
I think the wording was that Trump reached towards his clavicles. So maybe attempting to choke him but in no way was it implied that Trump actually got him in a choke hold, as that would defy belief. > [@Odesio](#): > > This is like that scene in the new Dr. Strange movie … Spolier please! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/168 "2022-07-22T20:26:49Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > no way was it implied that Trump actually got him in a choke hold, as that would defy belief. And physics… [![](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.abovetopsecret.com%2Ffiles%2Fimg%2Fqr62bbbda5.png&f=1&nofb=1) ](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.abovetopsecret.com%2Ffiles%2Fimg%2Fqr62bbbda5.png&f=1&nofb=1) ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/169 "2022-07-22T20:29:31Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Spolier please! ☹ My apologies. I hardly ever see anything, and if I’ve seen it I just kind of assume everyone else who wanted to see it has already done so. I wanted to go back and edit it, but I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/170 "2022-07-22T20:54:51Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’m smiling thinking of him being hosed down and de-loused like in Shawshank Redemption. Fish! Fish! (Wait, that was a different movie…) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/171 "2022-07-22T20:55:25Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I think the wording was that Trump reached towards his clavicles. So maybe attempting to choke him but in no way was it implied that Trump actually got him in a choke hold, as that would defy belief. “Clavicles” was indeed the word that Hutchinson used in her testimony, but I think there’s been a lot of misunderstanding about what this likely means. The fact that the clavicle is also known as the “collarbone” likely also confuses the issue. The clavicle is a long bone that runs along the shoulder between the tops of the arms. It has nothing to do with the neck. The more likely interpretation of what Trump actually did is he probably tried to shove the Secret Service agent by grabbing him by the shoulder. The material fact that seems to be generally corroborated is that the Orange Peril threw a temper tantrum and got physically aggressive, which is totally in character for the tempestuous moron (e.g.- throwing of dinner plates). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/172 "2022-07-22T20:59:28Z")
No, it was Shawshank — my bad, [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/4Utop2U6Zgo/maxresdefault.jpg "Fresh Fish - The Shawshank Redemption [HD]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Utop2U6Zgo) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/173 "2022-07-22T21:01:43Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’m smiling thinking of him being hosed down and de-loused like in Shawshank Redemption. It’ll be the cleanest Bannon has ever been! As I mentioned before, the cartoonist Jen Sorensen generally draws Bannon with flies buzzing around him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/174 "2022-07-22T21:08:54Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > “Clavicles” was indeed the word that Hutchinson used in her testimony, but I think there’s been a lot of misunderstanding about what this likely means. The fact that the clavicle is also known as the “collarbone” likely also confuses the issue. The clavicle is a long bone that runs along the shoulder between the tops of the arms. It has nothing to do with the neck. The more likely interpretation of what Trump actually did is he probably tried to shove the Secret Service agent by grabbing him by the shoulder… Nah. Trumpy was probably trying to straighten the dude’s collar so he would look all neat and tidy like the driver of the prez should look. You know what a fascist-nisto trump is. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/175 "2022-07-22T21:16:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You know what a fascist-nisto trump is. You can have some points for that. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/176 "2022-07-22T21:43:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’ll be the cleanest Bannon has ever been! Are grease traps common on shower drains? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2022, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/177 "2022-07-22T23:30:05Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’ll be the cleanest Bannon has ever been! Cue: “I’m melting! Iiiiii’m meeeltiiing!” ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/178 "2022-07-23T01:22:35Z")
Something I just realized, the secret service was also with Kamala Harris that day. I don’t remember hearing about where she was or how close things got to her. Some of the secret service radio calls would be from her detail as well. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/179 "2022-07-23T03:31:27Z")
Okay, I am going to paste this here in this thread because it would be wildly off topic in the genuine thread (although the discussion of wrestling mats and going to the mattresses seems a bit off topic as well). If I would have thought of it sooner, I would have raised it during the Cassidy Hutchinson Hearing portion of the thread because it is her testimony that proves (or at least strongly supports) the claims that I made in this completely unrelated thread as absolutely true. In this thread: > [@I Wish I Could Make All Evangelical Voters –](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-wish-i-could-make-all-evangelical-voters/923867): > > I wish that I had the power to compel all those ‘conservative’ Evangelical voters (not just the dozens or more related to me) to spend one week of all waking hours observing Trump in everything he does – and then having all those same voters do the same with Biden. I sincerely believe Trump’s hard core unshakable supporters would fall from 39-42% to about 19-22% of voters. I further believe that all sincere believers would abandon Trump by the end of that week and most would do so before two d… I made the claim that if people (specifically people of faith had to watch Donald J. Trump conducting his everyday activities – they would be disgusted by him and stop supporting him. (I also claimed, more or less, that observing Biden in a similar manner might be boring but would not be repulsive. Based upon what the January 6th Committee Hearings have revealed, and adding what other former White House staff have added on cable news shows, I believe these claims are vindicated. Trump flinging his food against the wall might be shocking the first time you witness it, but would not necessarily be enough to turn hard core Trumpers away from him. However, testimony and other eye witness accounts have assured us that ketchup running down the walls was not a one time, isolated event. If his staff and co-workers could not stand his antics – I have to wonder how sincere believers who USED to believe the former president was America’s salvation and God’s own appointed leader for these times would react to what we now know to be an accepted and standard manner of proceeding. I literally only know overtly religious supporters of Trump, but I think if almost any of his supporters knew what was really going on they would have been . . . disapproving. Below is the entire OP: > I wish that I had the power to compel all those ‘conservative’ Evangelical voters (not just the dozens or more related to me) to spend one week of all waking hours observing Trump in everything he does – and then having all those same voters do the same with Biden. > > I sincerely believe Trump’s hard core unshakable supporters would fall from 39-42% to about 19-22% of voters. I further believe that all sincere believers would abandon Trump by the end of that week and most would do so before two days are up. The ones who remain would be the (am I coining this phrase?) “Secular Christians” who believe they were born Christian the way they were born white. Non-practicing and insincere with no belief system other than if there is a god he loves him some good ol’ USA!!! > > In the case of Biden, I would have to assure many of the ones I know they would not have to watch the parts where he and his friends either rape babies and children or drink their blood. In both cases they would be flies on the wall who could observe without being observed. They would neither be allowed nor forced to spend any time in Mike Pence’s hair under any circumstances. > > I know they should be able to deduce these things – and if they are not swayed by what has happened so far, nothing can sway them. But I believe if they had firsthand knowledge – they would have to believe it no matter what Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and all the others say. Holy S\*\*t! Rush Limbaugh was still alive then! I will amend my prediction to this: If Republican Trump supporters watched every minute of the Select Committee Hearings his rating would fall to about 20% give or take, and if those same people were actually in the room personally his positives would be less than ten percent (maybe less than five percent). ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2022, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829/180 "2022-07-23T03:42:26Z")
Here’s a real lawyer to answer your questions: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/e5SUhbegZtc/maxresdefault.jpg "All The Possible January 6th Crimes") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5SUhbegZtc) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/january-6th-hearing-adjacent-discussion-thread/967829.md?page=10)