Japanese whale whores

No, we haven’t. An international whaling commission has decided, with a country by country majority of the few countries belonging to the commission, to ban commercial whaling until proper quotas could be established.

The commission has since been deadlocked between countries wanting to ban all whaling, and countries wanting to set reasonable quotas for whaling.

None of this constitutes a vote from the majority of humanity for either side, and I for one don’t want a system with global referendums binding for all nations.

well somehow the “incompetent” SSCS has successfully blocked whaling operations for last four days, escorted the whaling fleet from the SOS and blocked them from re-entering it. No injuries.

see here:
http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100211-1.html

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100208-1.html

Can’t actually find any records of serious injuries of SSCS volunteers in their entire history, maybe I’m not looking hard enough but if there were the media would have jumped on it. There’s certainly been none in the last five years of their Antarctic operations.

Possibly some of the incidents on Whale Wars are over dramatised, eg overplaying the danger. makes for better TV. I know a few people who were on the SSCS boats during season 1, I’ll ask them if it was played up or not.

Even a stopped watch has the right time twice a day, huh?

5 years of operations no injuries, every year they’ve disrupted whaling to some degree, some years better than others. That’s some serious case of denial you’ve got there.

No you missed the class on “Democracy in Practice” and instead went to one on “Stunning Oversimplifications Concerning Voter Choice”.

Firstly it is extremely common for it to be impossible to find a candidate who suits one’s voting preference on a single issue but who also suits your overall voting preference. No doubt everyone in the country could vote for the Greens and the Greens would give greater priority to the whaling issue, but instead people make rational choices that cause them to have to compromise. This means they may not be able to vote how they would like, on whaling alone, without voting in a way they do not want to, on all issues taken as a whole.

Secondly, the same compromise problems arise at the level of the action that can be taken: Australia already has a government that is against whaling. They could probably do things that might be more effective against whaling, but doing so might well cause military, trade, diplomatic and financial problems in other ways.

Please don’t make me laugh by telling me the US doesn’t have these sorts of problems on particular single issues also: or maybe not and I missed the news story where you become a military dictatorship.

Facts are Australian’s are Anti-Whaling, the government wants whaling to stop in the Antarctic but doesn’t want to endanger our trade relationship with Japan. So they issue nasty statements against Japan but don’t actually do anything concrete.

They also allow SSCS to operate from our ports, and I’ve been told that on past occasions the Australian coast guard or navy has unofficially passed on the location of Japanese whaling fleet to SSCS.

If the SSCS manages to make Japan stop whaling in the SOS because it’s just too damn expensive with the extra security ships and the bad publicity then Australian public is happy but the Australian government ain’t reponsible for SSCS actions so Japan can’t take trade sanctions. Isn’t that a happy coincidence?

It’s on baby! :slight_smile:

All I have is the show they make themselves. There they appear crying because the whalers are processing them left and right right under their prow. There they cripple their own ships. Get their small boats lost. Injure themselves when, gasp, the boats move because of the waves. Break laws they said 20 minutes ago they shouldn’t break. The crew loses all confidence in their leaders and leave en masse. The first officer cannot read a compass and gets the boat out of course time and time again. Et multiple cetera.

This is their side of the story!

you obviously have no understanding of the way these shows are made. For a start they don’t make it, it’s made by a production crew from Animal Planet. The director and producers at Animal Planet are concerned solely with producing a show that as many people as possible will keep watching, regardless of how that makes the SSCS look.

Controversy and danger make for better ratings than everything going smoothly.

coremelt, are you suggesting that either the danger or the controversy noted by **Sapo **are contrived by the production staff as a ratings booster? Having watched the show myself, it appeared that the dangers were quite real and quite significant. Further, the actual perils were exacerbated, not by media concerns, but by a lack of necessary training, and an attitude toward safety on the part of ships’ officers that is sadly lacking in due diligence. The “controversy” in which disillusioned crew fled en mass seemed to be a direct result of these facts.

I myself find it hard to ignore a flagrant disregard for the well being of the crew, regardless of their mission, their ideals, or their volunteer status. YMMV.

You’ve never watched a reality show or read anything about them in CS, have you?

The question is a valid one. They are either unawares of the spy camera crew living in their boat filming their every move to make fun of them, or they are letting the whales get killed in their faces just for the cameras. Which is it?

I’ve seen some reality shows, and I’ve done some production work. I am fully aware of the choices editors sometimes make (the “If it bleeds, it leads!” philosophy) to produce a show that will draw and hold an audience. In reality shows the situations and the dangers are contrived. Real, yes, but artificially imposed upon the actors/participants.

In Whale Wars all of the situations are contrived, in that all dangers could be avoided if everybody just went home. In that sense it is indeed just another reality show. But given the fact of an active campaign against whalers, the actual day to day dangers, like attempting to recover small boats while underway in a heavy sea, or allowing those small boats to become nearly lost to contact in an ice field at sunset, are not contrivances. They are actions directly attributable to the mission (that *save the whales *thingy) and the battle plan chosen by the officers and the Captain.

I submit that the battle plan, at least the parts of it I have seen carried out on the occasions I’ve watched the show, is amateurish at best and woefully inadequate at worst. Capricious actions seem to be the order of the day, and usually take precedence over careful planning.

Further, this haphazard (and I use the term deliberately) approach to their “campaign” is underscored and worsened by the abysmal level of skills development and training provided for both the crew and the officers. There is really an undeniable Keystone Cops flavor to the whole program. Having an officer in charge of the helm who could not use and did not believe the instruments before him does nothing to inspire confidence either up or down the chain of command.

So no, I do not excuse these stupidities as merely artifacts of the movie making process or of the editor’s knife. And I do not excuse them as somehow necessary to the mission. There are only two possibilities:

One, the top levels of management of Sea Shepherds are oblivious to the large and unnecessary dangers their cavalier approach to safety imposes upon their volunteer crews. I find such a level of abject stupidity difficult to imagine in people who appear otherwise competent, but I cannot deny the possibility. There is though another alternative, to wit:

Two, the top levels of management of Sea Shepherds are completely aware of the dangers, but they care less about the peril in which they place their ideologically passionate volunteers than they do about raising funds and keeping themselves and their mission firmly in the public eye. And so they actively accept and encourage potential dangers knowing full well the relationship between disaster and media attention. They court disaster in daily operations for its media value, and withholding or ignoring reasonable safety and competence training is a conscious choice made as a means toward that end. The volunteer crew are merely expendable dupes and pawns in a much bigger game with very high stakes.

If in fact, as in One above, the principals are merely ideologically driven idiots, that would be bad enough. It might even justify the entertainment value of the show in a point-and-laugh kind of way.

If instead the principals are ideologically driven cold and calculating people who deliberately place others in peril to further their own agenda, then they are simply craven bastards and we should stop watching their show, stop sending them money, and suggest that they should be the targets of legal action for depraved indifference (or something—IANAL).

You’re the one who believes they shoot the show themselves.

In “Ladies First”, he introduces a plan to have four women board a Japanese whaling ship. There’s no real tactical advantage to this choice, and it’s done entirely for PR reasons. Zodiac failures doom this venture, leading to a major injury to Shannon Mann (pelvic fracture IIRC), one of the crew’s most likable figures.

Look no further than that unknown source Wikipedia

Well the antics continue in the Southern Ocean…

Peter Bethune, former skipper of the Earthrace/Ady Gill snuck on board the Shonan Maru II and tried to present a bill for damages to the skipper. He’s still on board.

Personally I hope they try him as a pirate, should be good for a laugh…

I wonder if they are considering tying him to a whale to allow for a more direct communion and observation…

-XT

As well as an excellent opportunity to practice holding his breath.

Will this be the first time the Japanese whalers take a prisoner back home?