# Jared from Subway Pleads to Child Porn Charges **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 18, 2015, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219 "2015-08-18T22:07:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/41 "2015-08-19T08:47:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > “Extrajudicial death.” > > Nice, sanitized term. > > Call it what you’re really proposing: a lynching. Nah…just that a large inmate that suffered abuse use him as an aggression outlet. Let his death be a warning to other abusers. Do it and you might die. Some of their victims never recover. ---
**Author:** ![mr.jp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/48db29/32.png) [@mr.jp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr.jp)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/42 "2015-08-19T10:40:06Z")
What was it exactly that he did? It seems quite vague to me. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/43 "2015-08-19T10:51:49Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Nah…just that a large inmate that suffered abuse use him as an aggression outlet. Let his death be a warning to other abusers. Do it and you might die. Some of their victims never recover. Child abusers are well aware of the potential consequences of their actions. Someone being murdered in prison would not add to the deterrent factor in the slightest. Frankly, your argument here is a little disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/44 "2015-08-19T11:09:13Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Maybe its as much about power in the situation as attraction. **I must admit that I want to reject your argument because it excuses the actions of the pedophile.** But I admit this is a very complex issue. (Bolding mine) No it doesn’t - that’s like saying that being a heterosexual excuses the actions of a dude who rapes a lady. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/45 "2015-08-19T11:47:35Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Stories like this make me thankful that I’m not saddled with the desire for children. That must make life so painful. I sublimate my desire to throw a cinder block through the windshield of the asshole who keeps parking across two spaces at the building where I work by imagining how great it would be to crush his skull with it instead. It’s a tough affliction to be saddled with, but I take it day by day. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/46 "2015-08-19T11:51:02Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Other than the child porn, in what way is he a creep? Beady eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/47 "2015-08-19T14:52:30Z")
> [@pool](#): > > I think this guy did a lot more than just view pornography. There were also stories in the news about texts he sent indicating he had sex with an underage prostitute. And his friendship with that child pornographer, doesn’t make things appear any better. What a piece of shit. Although those initial stories said that the girl in question was above the age of consent the information I am seeing now makes it look like it is much more serious than viewing old images that have bounced around the internet for decades and having sex with a young but technically legal girl. It looks like it will be that he received porn from his buddy who was producing it and travelling around to have sex with multiple underage girls. He will be in prison for a while even with the plea deal. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/48 "2015-08-19T15:06:57Z")
Guy on CNN said he was using an underaged girl to help him find more underage girl. Crossed state lines for that purpose also. If he doesn’t get jail time they’ll hang the DA. I suspect it will be a short stay though, he’s probably cooperating now against his pornographer buddy and any other adults connected with his activities. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/49 "2015-08-19T15:18:42Z")
Wow, I didn’t follow this very closely but I thought they were only investigating him because the director of his charity was involved in something. The charges against him included sex acts with minors. News reports are saying jail time is likely. I should hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/50 "2015-08-19T15:21:03Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Guy on CNN said he was using an underaged girl to help him find more underage girl. Crossed state lines for that purpose also. If he doesn’t get jail time they’ll hang the DA. I suspect it will be a short stay though, he’s probably cooperating now against his pornographer buddy and any other adults connected with his activities. The article I read said that the prosecutor has agreed to not ask for more than 12.5 years and Fogel has agreed to not ask for less than 5. The judge will determine exactly how much. These are initial reports so until the official press conference which I believe is this afternoon we can only speculate as to how accurate these reports are. I’m thinking it is pretty close to the truth at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/51 "2015-08-19T15:21:30Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Guy on CNN said he was using an underaged girl to help him find more underage girl. Crossed state lines for that purpose also. If he doesn’t get jail time they’ll hang the DA. I suspect it will be a short stay though, he’s probably cooperating now against his pornographer buddy and any other adults connected with his activities. He’s definitely going to prison - the plea agreement specifies it will be somewhere between 5 and 12.5 years. Not a short stay. ---
**Author:** ![Frazzled](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frazzled/32/3368_2.png) [@Frazzled](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frazzled)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/52 "2015-08-19T15:27:21Z")
I also see in the plea agreement that he’s not allowed to have contact with minors. If I remember a commercial from a while back they showed him with his wife and kids. I’m sure that marriage is soon to be deader than his Subway job, but what does this mean about his own children? Is he not allowed to be with them alone anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/53 "2015-08-19T15:34:08Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Maybe its as much about power in the situation as attraction. I must admit that I want to reject your argument because it excuses the actions of the pedophile. But I admit this is a very complex issue. Your seething hatred is causing you to read intent where none was there. I wasn’t excusing his actions and it sounds like he will deserve jail time. I do have some pity for him, though; I have a hard enough time controlling my desire for attractive women and I have perfectly acceptable outlets. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/54 "2015-08-19T15:46:11Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Your seething hatred is causing you to read intent where none was there. I wasn’t excusing his actions and it sounds like he will deserve jail time. I do have some pity for him, though; I have a hard enough time controlling my desire for attractive women and I have perfectly acceptable outlets. When you say that you feel sorry for pedophiles because they cant control their ‘desire’ for kids you are 1)making the assumption that they are sexually attracted to kids in the same way others are sexually attracted to sexually mature people 2) you shift sympathy from the victims to the victimizers. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/55 "2015-08-19T15:48:30Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > I also see in the plea agreement that he’s not allowed to have contact with minors. If I remember a commercial from a while back they showed him with his wife and kids. I’m sure that marriage is soon to be deader than his Subway job, but what does this mean about his own children? Is he not allowed to be with them alone anymore? That’s usually a bit complicated. Visitation will be usually handled by family court not the criminal court. I have some Megan’s Law offenders with full custody of their kids. Others have visitation. Others can only get supervised visitation. Most likely there will be court ordered psych visits and treatment along with his incarceration. Those psych visits and evaluations will determine what his contact will be. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/56 "2015-08-19T15:58:57Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > When you say that you feel sorry for pedophiles because they cant control their ‘desire’ for kids you are 1)making the assumption that they are sexually attracted to kids in the same way others are sexually attracted to sexually mature people 2) you shift sympathy from the victims to the victimizers. Just for the sake of science… how is a pedophile’s\* sexual attraction to kids different from the sexual attraction of others who are sexually attracted to mature people? \*Is he a pedophile? i.e., is he primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to prepubescent children? I don"t know. ---
**Author:** ![GreenElf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@GreenElf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenElf)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/57 "2015-08-19T16:34:03Z")
People seemed ready for a new Subway spokesperson [at least a decade ago](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=323392&highlight=jared+subway). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/58 "2015-08-19T16:49:30Z")
> [@Frazzled](#): > > He’s definitely going to prison - the plea agreement specifies it will be somewhere between 5 and 12.5 years. Not a short stay. I don’t know what state this is. 5 years can be a short sentence if he gets time off for good behavior. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/59 "2015-08-19T16:53:48Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > When you say that you feel sorry for pedophiles because they cant control their ‘desire’ for kids you are 1)making the assumption that they are sexually attracted to kids in the same way others are sexually attracted to sexually mature people 2) you shift sympathy from the victims to the victimizers. Maybe **Deeg** has that rare ability found only in 95% of the population (real statistic I just made up) to have a lot of pity for the victim and a little pity left over for the mentally sick perpetrator. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2015, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219/60 "2015-08-19T17:07:29Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Nah…just that a large inmate that suffered abuse use him as an aggression outlet. Let his death be a warning to other abusers. If the people desire that the punishment for possessing child pornography should be death, then they should urge their representatives to enact legislation to that effect and that punishment should be carried out by the state in a matter that is not excessively inhumane. Suggesting that the appropriate way to deal with criminals is to let “a large inmate” “use him as an aggression outlet” is little more than mob justice. And you don’t need to be a historian to know that, when you’re suggesting that the mob is better suited to deliver justice than the system is willing to, you’re planting a tree that’s going to yield some strange fruit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-from-subway-pleads-to-child-porn-charges/728219.md?page=4)