# Jared Kushner: Close to the Russia, Pushed for Firing Comey **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 25, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450 "2017-05-25T23:33:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/21 "2017-05-26T23:17:00Z")
Well, this would be bad if true: [ > [@](#): > > Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin ]([https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a\_story.html?hpid=hp\_hp-banner-main\_kushner-705pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm\_term=.c460a5f6b1cf](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_kushner-705pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c460a5f6b1cf)) > [@](#): > > Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports. > > Ambassador Sergei Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, then President-elect Trump’s son-in-law and confidant, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/22 "2017-05-26T23:37:28Z")
That is too good to be true. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/23 "2017-05-26T23:39:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That _is_ the smart move. (But didn’t I read somewhere that Jared failed the SATs and got into Harvard only because his father pledged it $2.5 million…???) Surely not. You must be an idiot to fail SATs. “Money won’t buy you happiness, but it is good to have it around in case you _need_ anything”. -Orson Welles. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/24 "2017-05-26T23:40:45Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That is too good to be true. 🙂 Q: Is Ivanka next…? [“She Got it at Jared’s…”](https://s3.amazonaws.com/lawgical/assets/data/359/original.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/25 "2017-05-26T23:42:09Z")
Makes me think that Flynn is doing his best canary impression. Anyone remember [this story?](http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/) Seems relevant. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/26 "2017-05-27T00:11:17Z")
It’s such a shame SNL is on hiatus for the summer. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/27 "2017-05-27T01:27:12Z")
This administration is beginning to look like a Don Knotts movie. Pence gets hacked on his _AOL account_. Maybe “fuckthegays” wasn’t a great password. Now Jared Kushner wanted a secret link with the Kremlin to be accessed from Russian consulates. Seriously. This raises some questions: 1- How long will he keep his security clearance? 2- Why would the Russians squeal about this? They have a stooge in the White House, why jeopardize it? 3- What was Kushner going to use this line for? 4- Does this request break any laws? Seems like a very amateurish move by a guy way in over his head. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/28 "2017-05-27T01:42:45Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > 2- Why would the Russians squeal about this? They have a stooge in the White House, why jeopardize it? They have also been bragging about Helm. Perhaps they want to destabilize the US Presidency. This is Manchurian Candidate stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/29 "2017-05-27T01:47:22Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > It’s such a shame SNL is on hiatus for the summer. > > Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk …Might be on us to step up & entertain them then. (…they do read, right? I mean stuff from people who AREN’T related to them or hang out at their version of the Westboro Baptist Church) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/30 "2017-05-27T02:32:23Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > … > 2- Why would the Russians squeal about this? They have a stooge in the White House, why jeopardize it?.. The Russians didn’t squeal about this; we were monitoring the Russian Ambassador’s communications with Moscow and someone in the CIA or NSA leaked this to the media back in December. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/31 "2017-05-27T02:45:39Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The Russians didn’t squeal about this; we were monitoring the Russian Ambassador’s communications with Moscow and someone in the CIA or NSA leaked this to the media back in December. You are very much correct and I was quite incorrect. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/32 "2017-05-27T02:49:57Z")
I think there’s about to be an armageddon between the Trump administration’s inner circle and the ‘administrative state’. And to the victor goes the spoils…and our fate as a democracy. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/33 "2017-05-27T04:39:26Z")
> [@WaPo](#): > > Kislyak reportedly was taken aback by the suggestion of allowing an American to use Russian communications gear at its embassy or consulate — a proposal that would have carried security risks for Moscow as well as the Trump team. In other words, in order to slip the US surveillance net, the Trump transition team wanted to use the Russian Embassy in DC to communicate secretly with the Kremlin. And Kislyak, being a good handler, didn’t want to burn his assets. The implications are sickening. This is treasonous behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/34 "2017-05-27T07:59:46Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The Russians didn’t squeal about this; we were monitoring the Russian Ambassador’s communications with Moscow and someone in the CIA or NSA leaked this to the media back in December. And they thought it was a big enough deal to expose that they’re reading the ambassador’s calls back to Russia and possibly lose that source. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/35 "2017-05-27T08:44:57Z")
Is it possible that there is a third country spying on the Russians (say, Uruguay) and was alarmed enough to leak it to Wapo? ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/36 "2017-05-27T10:08:40Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Is it possible that there is a third country spying on the Russians (say, Uruguay) and was alarmed enough to leak it to Wapo? If the [Five Eyes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes) aren’t deeply involved in this there’s no point in having them. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/37 "2017-05-27T22:43:34Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The Russians didn’t squeal about this; we were monitoring the Russian Ambassador’s communications with Moscow and someone in the CIA or NSA leaked this to the media back in December. The thing is, Kislyak had to know that what he was saying would be recorded by US intelligence. So did he say it in order to signal to Trump that Russia has the power to “say stuff” that will take down Trump’s son-in-law----and also Trump himself? Was this a message to Trump that he’d better do as he’s told? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/38 "2017-05-27T23:20:33Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Was this a message to Trump that he’d better do as he’s told? Could you unbox this? I have no idea how this could be a message to Trump. Generally, you don’t “warn” people you can blackmail them by spilling your biggest beans. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/39 "2017-05-27T23:39:50Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The thing is, Kislyak had to know that what he was saying would be recorded by US intelligence. > > So did he say it in order to signal to Trump that Russia has the power to “say stuff” that will take down Trump’s son-in-law----and also Trump himself? Was this a message to Trump that he’d better do as he’s told? I’m not sure he would assume that the US broke their encryption. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450/40 "2017-05-27T23:45:16Z")
At this point, it would be considerably more efficient for Moscow to have an investigation to determine if anyone in the Trump administration has any ties to the United States. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jared-kushner-close-to-the-russia-pushed-for-firing-comey/787450.md?page=3)