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It is a issue. He ISN’T an MD. He’s holding himself out as one, through his actions. Depending on how it’s done, it’s a violation of New york state law (Section 6530, #12 http://www.op.nysed.gov/article131-a.htm)
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As QtM points out below (and your cite pointed out multiple times), he IS an MD. He IS a doctor. He IS a physician. He IS NOT violating the law, in New York or elsewhere.
Are you eventually going to admit that every one of your accusations (and let me just go ahead and list them, in case you forgot) has been proven wrong (mostly, and I can’t point this out enough because it’s funny, by your own cite):
(cut and pasted from your posts in this thread by me, bolded sections added by me for either clarity’s sake or commentary)
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- Actually, he’s not (a doctor).
- He ony recieved an MD from the school he was working at AFTER he started his work
- (and failing out of US medical schools).
- he only got an MD AFTER he became a DIRECTOR of and institute at the school he was working at, which at the time was bringing in significant notoriety and funds to the school.
- No Liscence, You’re not allowed to hold yourself out as a Doctor. That’s the Law.
- Having to leave the country in order to get a degree after not being able to be accepted in the United States? This is called getting around said failure.
- He’s made a career out of self promotion at the cost of (arguably) other people lives.
- The FDA has banned his product after most of the people died within 6 months, usually after much complications. (as pointed out several times, the FDA did not ban the Jarvik heart- they restricted its use)
- Yes, but they’re generally not holding themselves out as surgeons either. (you have yet to supply information that proves he holds himself out as a surgeon. being photographed in scrubs doesn’t count- I frequently wore scrubs as a crisis counselor, and no one believed me to be a surgeon)
- It is a issue. He ISN’T an MD. He’s holding himself out as one, through his actions.
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I’m going to give you this, though:
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He’s not a surgeon. He wasn’t the one cutting, an actual surgeon was.
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He’s not a surgeon, and the chances are near 100% that he wasn’t doing the cutting. As jmpnmark pointed out, Devries did the operation.
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Because I don’t like the way he does things. It’s my opinion. I quite frankly don’t understand why so many people like the guy for basically saying something was successful that never was. And people did die in the process.
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Not liking how he does things does not give you free rein to make unsubstantiated (and sometimes completely incorrect) allegations about their education or abilities, nor does it allow you to essentially accuse them of murder.
Of COURSE people died in the process. That’s what ground-breaking medical research is about. Clark was going to die anyway. The other people who had the Jarvik heart installed into them were going to die anyway. Probably sooner rather than later. Did the Jarvik heart prolong their lives? Yes. Some as much as a year. Were they informed of the dangers inherent in such an operation? Well, I wasn’t there, but I would imagine they had a grasp on the risks. But one can assume that when you’re about to die and you’re given the choice to simply snuff out like a candle or advance medical research so that others don’t have to suffer, you would lean toward the latter.
How many people died while they tested every drug under the sun to combat HIV? How many still die because we don’t know everything about the disease? Are their deaths the responsibility of the researchers who couldn’t find an easy answer, or the doctors who prescribed the cocktails?
Even simpler: Mr. Kitty has cystic fibrosis. He is 48 years old and was just diagnosed at the end of November. His age is STAGGERING for someone with CF (especially someone who has never been properly treated for it), and someone living past the age of twenty with CF was unheard of when he was growing up. They’ve made significant advances in the past decades, but you know what? People still die. They still die early. Thank the gods Mr. Kitty is not at this point, but if he were to have a lung transplant right now, his five-year survival chances would be less than 50%. Am I on a message board decrying James Hardy, questioning his credentials and ethical orientation? Hell no, because it makes sense that when you implant something into a person’s body that doesn’t belong there, you’re going to mess up at first. CF patients continue to make the choice every day about whether to have a lung transplant, knowing full well that it’s still, at our level of medical expertise, with the best doctors in the world, essentially a death sentence. But they do it- some just to eek out those last few years, and some to help advance the research.
The Jarvik heart was successful. That it was implanted and the patients didn’t die within hours makes it a success. It was not the solution they had hoped for, true. But don’t belittle that HUGE advancement just because it didn’t have people running out of the hospital doing backflips two days after surgery.
I’m beginning to wonder if part of the problem relating to medical malpractice and liability may have to do with folks like you, who can’t seem to comprehend that physicians and researchers are human, and the first (or second, or three hundreth) time out isn’t going to be a grand slam.
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Oh, and btw, I’ve done plenty. Including professional liscensure so as to not hold myself out to the public for something I’m not. And an MBA. And by the time I was 30, too.
No need to make this personal.
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You accused a man of being too stupid for US medical schools (and in the process took a swipe at European medical schools), being handed a MD because he was in the right place at the right time, misleading the public, violating multiple laws, and MURDER because he doesn’t operate at your ethical level, and you’re upset because I implied you may be slacking in the accomplishment department? Jesus. My point, which you seem to have missed, is that this is a guy who has already assisted in making significant advances in the field before a lot of folks even figure out what they want to be when they grow up, and he has DECADES yet in which to push the envelope even further. Maybe he’ll even manage to do something to meet your expectations. He- and all the other folks out there on the cutting edge- don’t need people like you and the OP deciding if what they’re doing is okay.
Incidentally, I would suggest you learn to spell “licensure” and “license.” In case, y’know, you have to represent yourself to the public. Now THAT was making it personal.
