# Jay Nordlinger is a jackanapes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 2, 2004, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172 "2004-10-02T10:07:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/1 "2004-10-02T10:07:09Z")
I read [www.nationalreview.com](http://www.nationalreview.com) quite often: A. To know what the enemy is thinking; B. To read the good writers on there, with whom I usually disagree, but sometimes do not (i.e., sometimes the columnists have a brain, a clue, and a point to make). Jay Nordlinger isn’t one of those good writers. In fact, I usually just ignore his columns because they’re so poorly conceived. But in [this colum](http://nationalreview.com/nordlinger/nordlinger200410010114.asp) he trashes Bush’s debate performance. Fair enough. But then he says this, which almost made me puke with shame for the man: > [@](#): > > Friends, I have no doubt that this little reaction column of mine will disappoint many of you. I’m sorry. I have called George W. Bush a Rushmore-level president. I believe history will bear that out; and if it doesn’t, history will be wrong. I think that Bush’s reelection is crucial not only to this country but to the world at large. I not only think that Bush is the right man for the job; I have a deep fondness — love, really — for the man, though I don’t know him. This sounds perfectly like how Goebbels and other people irrationally dedicated to Hitler wrote. I can perceive it in no other way. Here we have the worst POTUS in the 20th or 21st centuries, probably in US history, who has launched a war that is dangerous, unprofitable, and unsuccessful (i.e., not even a cynic could love it); who has disgraced the US in the eyes of the world, to the point where one cannot, abroad, announce one’s citizenship without a twinge of nervousness; and managed the economy of our great land without about as much skill as his looter buddy Ken Lay. And this fuckhead Nordlinger can honestly use the words “love” and “Mt. Rushmore” in connection with this illegitimately installed swine on two legs? Hired wrecker Greenspan coined the phrase “irrational exhuberence,” but this goes beyond that. “Irrational fascist flatulence” perhaps? I used to think that Nordlinger was just a poor writer and an undistinguished rightie columnist. But now I think he belongs with Hannity, Rush, Ann, and other freaks in the **Right-Wing Tooldom Hall of Fame**. Sometimes slavish devotion and monumental stupidity _really can_ allow one to transcend the pack. Bonus slam: Jonah Goldberg is precisely 1/12 as clever and funny as he thinks he is. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/2 "2004-10-02T10:44:28Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Sometimes slavish devotion and monumental stupidity _really can_ allow one to transcend the pack… Heheheh, that is so true. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/3 "2004-10-02T18:14:26Z")
**Aeschines:** _This sounds perfectly like how Goebbels and other people irrationally dedicated to Hitler wrote. I can perceive it in no other way._ Hmm. What seemed to me like the obvious explanation is that Nordlinger had to make a complete and unmistakable reaffirmation of his loyalty, to compensate for having criticized Bush’s showing in the debate. I don’t think it’s a “Nazi-esque” personal devotion; I think it’s just that a convention has emerged in certain right-wing pundit circles that you must not disparage the President. And Nordlinger really kicked over the traces in that column: > [@](#): > > I thought Kerry did very, very well; and I thought Bush did poorly — much worse than he is capable of doing. Listen: If I were just a normal guy — not Joe Political Junkie — I would vote for Kerry. On the basis of that debate, I would. If I were just a normal, fairly conservative, war-supporting guy: I would vote for Kerry. On the basis of that debate. […] > > The senator seemed to rattle the president, about 15 minutes in — and he stayed rattled. Also, the president was on the defensive almost all the time. Rarely did he put Kerry on the defensive. Kerry could relax, and press. Considering that Nordlinger, by his [own account](http://www.nationalreview.com/impromptus/nordlinger200409020759.asp), got lambasted by many readers for “disloyalty” just for criticizing Bush’s daughters, you can see how he would have to renew his loyalty oath very strongly and publicly for going negative to that extent on the Leader himself. ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/4 "2004-10-02T19:01:29Z")
George W. Bush may have his defects, but he can’t compete with Jimmy Carter for “Worst President of the 20th/21st Century”. I like Carter as a human being, but he was a total disaster as President. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2004, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/5 "2004-10-02T19:22:01Z")
**Kimtsu** , I think you get the psychology here close to perfect, by why the emphasis on “love.” Isn’t that going a little _beyond_? Then again, in the world of right-wing loons, who knows? But yeah, loyalty oath. **Mks57** , I don’t agree. Who would be in the running? Taft, Hoover, Nixon, and Shrub. But Carter? Carter inherited a disaster–an economy that sucked and political chaos from Watergate. I’ll grant that he didn’t do so great. Bush inherited peace and prosperity and has managed to flush both–not through inaction, not even through mere incompetence, but through both incompetence and poorly conceived actions (cutting taxes for the rich, Gulf War II, etc.). How did Carter do worse than that? In the foreign policy area, Carter got Egypt and Israel to shake hands and generally did OK. I’ll grant that he didn’t handle the hostage crisis as well as he might have. In other areas, there seems to be a lack of excellence but also not too many great shames. I’m no expert on his administration, not even close, but I certainly don’t see the evidence for thinking him worse than the big incompetents of the century. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/6 "2004-10-03T04:07:21Z")
If you want to hear a complete moron, try Michael Savage. Mr. Rilch was listening to him last night (Og help me), and he was, of course, talking about Thursday’s debate. He (Savage) was displeased with both candidates _because they disagreed about Iraq_. According to him, they should “work together” to find a solution. Instead of arguing. Me: “Did he just fall out of a tree?! What does he think a debate is? The candidates were _selling themselves_. Kerry was there to try to convince voters that he would be a better president than Bush is, and Bush was there to try to convince voters that he is a better president than Kerry would be. If they both agreed on everything, there’d be no need for us to choose one over the other.” Mr. Rilch: “Want me to switch over to George Noory?” Me. “Yes. **Please**.” I really don’t think Savage has all his marbles. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/7 "2004-10-03T13:43:29Z")
**Aeschines:** \*[But] why the emphasis on “love.” Isn’t that going a little beyond? \* Eh, I’m inclined to think it’s just that, as you point out, Nordlinger isn’t a very good writer. He isn’t stupid, but he often expresses himself clumsily, and I’m not sure he’d notice that “I love Bush” sounds like a somewhat startling and bizarre way of expressing “I unwaveringly support Bush”. On the other hand, I don’t know the guy; for all I know he **might** have a passionate personal devotion to The Leader and gaze moist-eyed at The Leader’s photograph on his bedside table every night. I just happen to think not. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/8 "2004-10-03T14:28:43Z")
Heh heh. Benefit of the doubt, eh? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/9 "2004-10-04T02:01:38Z")
_off-topic_… WTF is a jackanapes? Jackass+anchovy+ape+extraneous “s”? ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jay-nordlinger-is-a-jackanapes/267172/10 "2004-10-04T02:53:58Z")
> [@chaoticdonkey](#): > > _off-topic_… > > WTF is a jackanapes? Jackass+anchovy+ape+extraneous “s”? It was originally a word for a pet performing ape and, by obvious extension, came to mean a person who was very foolish. The etymology is uncertain, but pretty damn interesting. The OED has this to say (they even suggest origins for that extraneous “s”!): > [@](#): > > Precise origin uncertain. > So far as yet found, the word appears first as an opprobrious nickname of William de la Pole, Duke of Suffolk (murdered 1450), whose badge was a clog and chain, such as was attached to a tame ape. Hence, in a poem of 1449 (see 2 a), in which other noblemen are denominated by their badges or heraldic emblems, as the Swan, fiery Cresset, Portcullis, Wheat-ear, etc., Suffolk is styled ‘the Ape-clogge’, and in somewhat later satirical invectives is referred to as an ape, and entitled Jack Napes; this being inferentially already a quasi-proper name for a tame ape, as it is seen to be in 1522. (The converse hypothesis, that Suffolk was for some other reason called ‘Jack Napes’, and that this nick-name was transferred from him to the ape, does not, on a review of the facts, seem probable.) But of Jack Nape or Napes, and its relation to an ape or apes, no certain explanation can be offered; it was perhaps, in its origin, merely a playful or whimsical name for a tame ape, and the n- might arise as in nunckle and neye (birds-nie, pigs-ney), or as in the by-names Ned, Noll, Nell, and the -s might be in imitation of the -s of surnames such as Jakkes, Hobbes, Symmes, etc., already in use, so that ‘Jack Napes’ parodied a human name and surname. If this was the standing of the name, it is easy to understand that it might never attain to literary use, till it became the nick-name of Suffolk. Be this as it may, the fact remains that Jack Napes is the earliest form, of which Jack-a-Napes, Jack of Napes (? Naples), Jack-an-ape, Jack-and-apes, are later perversions, app. attempts of ‘popular etymology’ to make the expression more intelligible. In accordance with this view, the original sense is here taken as ‘ape’, of which the use in 2 a is treated as a derived application, though it is in point of date the earliest use that has come down to us, and may possibly, with further evidence, have to stand first.