# Jazz is crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 12, 2000, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385 "2000-01-12T04:03:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2000, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/101 "2000-10-06T20:36:17Z")
I like it when jazz players play something other than jazz. I think the Smashing Pumpkins’ Jimmy Chamberlin is one of the best drummers in popular music. He’s jazz-trained. I think you can hear that training in the precision of the timekeeping in “Cherub Rock,” for instance. The one jazz tune that I do particularly enjoy is Guaraldi’s “Linus and Lucy.” Maybe not a connoisseur’s choice, but I don’t mind if people don’t think I’m a connoisseur. It’s just bouncy and fun. ---
**Author:** ![filthy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@filthy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filthy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2000, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/102 "2000-10-07T16:21:26Z")
I like a lot of brass and anyone who mutes a trumpet or a 'bone with anything but his hat should be publicly flogged and ex-communicated (whatever that might mean). I like The Canadian Brass. I like the gituars of Leo Kotke and John Williams. I like Tin Pan Ally - Scott Joplin rules. I like classical string quartet. I like Evening at Pops and try not to miss it. B.B. King can keep me listening for hours. I don’t know nothing about no music, but I do know what I like. Anyone that doesn’t like it can go listen somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Silo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac91a4/32.png) [@Silo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2000, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/103 "2000-10-07T19:33:18Z")
Maybe it’s just because I’m a musician, but I have a respect for all types of music–Jazz included. If you don’t like it listen to something else. I personally find it facinating, and improvisation (common in Jazz) is an integral part of my guitar style. You can discriminate types of music, that’s fine. I used to discrimate types of music when I was younger, I don’t anymore though. An open mind is better than a closed mind. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2000, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/104 "2000-10-07T19:58:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Silo \* > \*\*Maybe it’s just because I’m a musician, but I have a respect for all types of music–Jazz included. If you don’t like it listen to something else. I personally find it facinating, and improvisation (common in Jazz) is an integral part of my guitar style. > > You can discriminate types of music, that’s fine. I used to discrimate types of music when I was younger, I don’t anymore though. > > An open mind is better than a closed mind. \*\* So if someone doesn’t like every type of music out there, they’re closed-minded? It couldn’t simply be that they have the right to their own opinion without being accused of having a character flaw? Pretty merciless. ---
**Author:** ![Silo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac91a4/32.png) [@Silo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2000, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/105 "2000-10-07T20:20:11Z")
> [@](#): > > So if someone doesn’t like every type of music out there, they’re closed-minded? No. But I think making a statement like “Jazz is crap” is a little closed minded. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2000, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/106 "2000-10-08T01:01:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Silo \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > So if someone doesn’t like every type of music out there, they’re closed-minded? > > No. But I think making a statement like “Jazz is crap” is a little closed minded. \*\* Yeah, that’s a pretty good point. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2000, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/107 "2000-10-08T01:19:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Snooooopy \* > **I like it when jazz players play something other than jazz.** On the other hand, I hate it when non-jazz players try to play jazz. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2000, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385/108 "2000-10-09T01:23:02Z")
You know what bugs me? It’s how the Simpson’s episodes with Bleeding Gums Murphy conflate blues and jazz. And then, play as a tribute to Murphy a song called `Jazz Man’ that isn’t Jazz at all. Motherfresheners. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jazz-is-crap/4385.md?page=5)