# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/301 "2024-09-01T01:12:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am going to guess that he put some effort into pursuing homosexuality but, given his evident complete lack of social skills, it was a dismal failure, so he settled for a heterosexual relationship to salve his damaged self-image. > [@needscoffee](#): > > I suspect that even if Peter Thiel had decided to make you a millionaire, you still wouldn’t have turned out like Vance. Incidentally, Thiel was a closeted gay man in a heterosexual marriage for many years until Gawker outed him. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/302 "2024-09-01T01:29:02Z")
Note how he spells his name. A normal person would use “J.D.”, but he goes by “JD”. One must conclude that this is from the time he spent in the gay community, where he went by “Jadey”. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/303 "2024-09-01T02:39:07Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > It’s supposed to also explain why he is so bothered by unmarried, childless women. They represent women who are _available_, and while Vance has learned _how_ he is supposed to relate to an available woman, he _doesn’t want to_. That’s why he wants those women shuttled into their proper role as wives and mothers; it alleviates his discomfort with relating to them. He might like a society wherein the women are completely covered, removing all temptation. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/304 "2024-09-01T03:03:17Z")
This commencement speaker said, in so many words, that women are nothing without having children. The most vicious feedback came from nuns, as one might imagine. > **[Harrison Butker | Commencement Address 2024 | Benedictine College](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JS7RIKSaCc%2F)** ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/305 "2024-09-01T15:11:08Z")
Well, as was discussed, that was at a Catholic university. So the outrage was mostly on the part of people who were NOT in the audience. People are entitled to believe what they like, and attendees at a Catholic university likely agree with Catholic teachings, and if they don’t, maybe they should have attended some other university. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/306 "2024-09-01T15:28:06Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > People are entitled to believe what they like, and attendees at a Catholic university likely agree with Catholic teachings, and if they don’t, maybe they should have attended some other university. That is definitely not true for many Catholic universities, Jesuit and many La Sallian types, for example. Some of these guys are so tolerant of divergent viewpoints, they lose their “Catholic U” status. But there’s a wide spectrum of beliefs that won’t get you drummed out of the corps. My Alma mater, a Catholic U, had a significant percentage of non-Catholics. That’s more a function of certain orders and institutions having centuries-old traditions of inclusion and outreach, especially directed toward the less advantaged. There are many Catholic orders that actually take Christ’s teachings seriously, and those teachings do NOT include othering anyone, and do include caring for the least of our brothers. You know, the woke ones. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/307 "2024-09-01T16:15:20Z")
Deleted. Total hijack. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/308 "2024-09-01T16:18:03Z")
One thing I notice is the media keeps calling all these weird, deeply misogynistic clips as being “recently unearthed”, as if they were from decades ago, in his youth. But they are recent clips, juat on obscure podcasts and shit. These are not things he thought years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/309 "2024-09-01T16:18:11Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Well, as was discussed, that was at a Catholic university. So the outrage was mostly on the part of people who were NOT in the audience. Did you miss the part about “The most vicious feedback came from nuns”? The nuns were, I suspect, somewhat more Catholic than average. So the intended audience. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/310 "2024-09-01T16:23:55Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > People are entitled to believe what they like, and attendees at a Catholic university likely agree with Catholic teachings, and if they don’t, maybe they should have attended some other university. Most of them do. But some, like that commencement speaker, just completely ignore Catholic values. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/311 "2024-09-01T16:43:12Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > There’s an online theory that he’s a closet homosexual, and the basis is largely due to how his misogyny contrasts with Trump’s. > > Trump has a heterosexual misogyny. He views women as sex objects, and if they aren’t then he considers them useless, or threatening. > > Whereas, the theory goes, Vance doesn’t relate to women that way, because _he’s not attracted to them_. Rather, he sees women as functional, in that they fulfill a role of providing children. > > It’s supposed to also explain why he is so bothered by unmarried, childless women. They represent women who are _available_, and while Vance has learned _how_ he is supposed to relate to an available woman, he _doesn’t want to_. That’s why he wants those women shuttled into their proper role as wives and mothers; it alleviates his discomfort with relating to them. > > We are also supposed to draw insight from his marriage to an Indian woman, since Indian culture is said to accept functional marriages and an emphasis on children, instead of those marked by passion (although I don’t know if this has merit, since his wife’s native culture might be American, and her heritage might have had little impact). Would it be _too_ subtle to only tell him “Nice beard.” in situations where he is in the presence of Mrs. Vance? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/312 "2024-09-01T16:46:41Z")
Probably too subtle. I for one have exactly zero idea what you’re signaling. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/313 "2024-09-01T16:51:48Z")
[I got it.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_(companion)#:~:text=Beard%20is%20a%20slang%20term,to%20conceal%20one's%20sexual%20orientation.) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/314 "2024-09-01T17:03:40Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > People are entitled to believe what they like, and attendees at a Catholic university likely agree with Catholic teachings, and if they don’t, maybe they should have attended some other university That would sort of take the “universal” out of “university”. Right? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/315 "2024-09-01T17:26:06Z")
“University” and “universal” may have shared some Latin word origins centuries ago. But universality is not a characteristic of modern universities and probably hasn’t been for a couple hundred years. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/316 "2024-09-01T18:32:28Z")
[![](https://s3.eu-central-2.wasabisys.com/mastodonworld/media_attachments/files/113/059/717/336/683/177/original/d1f88199f92de022.png) ](https://s3.eu-central-2.wasabisys.com/mastodonworld/media_attachments/files/113/059/717/336/683/177/original/d1f88199f92de022.png) ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/317 "2024-09-01T19:42:23Z")
Or even then (says a woman). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/318 "2024-09-01T20:35:39Z")
Huh, @eschereal , a friend just texted that same image to me. Anyone know if it’s real, and if so, where? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/319 "2024-09-01T20:44:13Z")
I’m pretty sure it’s fake. But funny. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/320 "2024-09-01T20:44:42Z")
There are obvious cut and paste artifacts around the lower two signs. I think they are editorial additions to a stock photo of a real “Now Entering Ohio” sign on a minor state highway. ETA: the closer I look the more I think there are also C&P artifacts on the topmost sign. Some Google image search suggests that most unadorned “Now Entering Ohio” signs are the standard green color of most highway signs. And, like many states, Ohio has more elaborate signs on major roads that just happen to mention the Governor’s name in big writing. **[New sign welcomes drivers into Ohio, featuring slogan “Ohio, The Heart of it All.” (wkbn.com)](https://www.wkbn.com/news/ohio/new-signs-welcome-drivers-into-ohio/)**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=17)