# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/461 "2024-09-15T14:54:47Z")
He has no mechanism for filtering out controversial statements. That’s one of the things that makes him such a shitty politician. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/462 "2024-09-15T15:17:17Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > He’s also justifying the “dogs and cats” comment by saying migrants in Springfield are eating geese from the parks, something else that is not proven. I’m out and about on my phone so don’t have time to link a cite, but this is the same sort of crap that went around in the UK about Polish immigrants stealing and eating swans back in the early 2000s. No evidence, so far as I know, of that being true came forward. Same ol’ story, different place and different group to hate. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/463 "2024-09-15T15:25:36Z")
Even if true, so what? I mean, I get that eating geese from parks is illegal, but they’re neither endangered nor beloved, and goose is not a particularly weird thing to eat. It seems about as ho-hum as someone eating a fish they caught without a license. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/464 "2024-09-15T15:31:10Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > He is saying the woman arrested in Canton for killing and eating a cat was a migrant. The moderator is not calling him out on the fact this woman is NOT an immigrant but is native born. Somebody actually was arrested for eating a cat? Anybody got a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/465 "2024-09-15T15:34:13Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > Even if true, so what? I mean, I get that eating geese from parks is illegal, but they’re neither endangered nor beloved, and goose is not a particularly weird thing to eat. It seems about as ho-hum as someone eating a fish they caught without a license. The “so what” is that they are grasping at straws, as they furiously try to somehow justify the whole “Haitians eating your dogs and your cats” statement that Trump made in the debate, in an effort to make him not look crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/466 "2024-09-15T15:43:02Z")
Previous politicians tried to benefit from positive patriotic associations with Arlington. But most apologized when criticized for disobeying rules. Most did not lie, claim to be assaulted, or demand dismissals after being challenged by employees seemingly doing their job. Backing down from any preposterous statement is weakness? Sure, this is absolutely who you want in charge of your sensitive diplomatic efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/467 "2024-09-15T15:43:26Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Somebody actually was arrested for eating a cat? Anybody got a cite for that? I found a local story from Canton. This is a month old and looks to predate this becoming a national story at the debate. The cat story is real, but didn’t happen in Springfield and the woman in question is not a Haitian immigrant. She’s an American citizen. > **[Canton woman accused of killing, eating cat after 'stomping its head'](https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/crime/2024/08/17/canton-woman-in-stark-county-jail-for-allegedly-killing-eating-cat/74841992007/)** > > A 27-year-old Canton woman was arrested Friday on charges related to killing and eating a cat. Here’s a more recent fact check of the claims. > **[Fact check: Ohio woman accused of eating cat is from Canton, not from...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-ohio-woman-accused-003015124.html)** > > The ongoing court case of a Canton woman accused of eating cat has mistakenly become a part of online presidential campaign chatter. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/468 "2024-09-15T15:43:38Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Somebody actually was arrested for eating a cat? Anybody got a cite for that Never mind, I found it (it was linked to in another thread on these boards.) [Canton arrested for allegedly killing, eating cat](https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/crime/2024/08/17/canton-woman-in-stark-county-jail-for-allegedly-killing-eating-cat/74841992007/) whoops, ninja’d! ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/469 "2024-09-15T16:07:09Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > It is maddening this is not called out by the moderator as the lie that it is. Vance was called out today in an interview by Dana Bash. > Jeff Tiedrich’s transcription and comment: > [@](#): > > [**Vance**]: "There are 911 calls from well before this ever became a viral sensation about people complaining about that exact thing happening.” > > **Dana Bash** : _“Senator, I have to go through several things that you just said. first of all, the Clark County Sheriff and the Ohio Department of Natural Resources reviewed eleven months of 911 calls. they only identified two instances of people **alleging** Haitians were taking geese out of parks. they found ZERO evidence to substantiate those claims. also, other evidence that you have talked about — even retweeted — alleged evidence, are unsourced social media videos from a different city, apparently no connection to Haitians.”_ > > so, how does this misogynistic prick react? he calls being fact-checked by Bash “disgusting.” The Republicans have nothing else to drum up outrage against Kamala Harris, so they’re doubling down on this bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/470 "2024-09-15T16:53:17Z")
I wonder if Doug Burgum would have spent a week on TV claiming this racist nonsense bullshit. People complain (rightfully) about Vance but Trump loves this sort of clown show. Probably feeling better about Vance than ever. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/471 "2024-09-15T17:06:23Z")
Vance knows he must, MUST defend every single crazy twisted thing that pops out of Trump’s lie-hole. That’s his only job. That’s why he’s doubling down on the Springfield nonsense, even though it makes him look mentally deranged, and even the Republican governor of Ohio knows this is bullshit and says this forcefully on news shows. Defend Trump’s mentally unstable nonsense. That’s his role and he knows it. If Trump started wearing his underpants on his head, Vance would immediately copy him. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/472 "2024-09-15T17:11:27Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The “so what” is that they are grasping at straws, as they furiously try to somehow justify the whole “Haitians eating your dogs and your cats” statement that Trump made in the debate, in an effort to make him not look crazy. Oh, I’m not saying “so what” about the rhetoric or what it shows about them; just saying that if they’re trying to gin up outrage about … someone somewhere killing and eating a goose in a park, it’s probably not going to work as well as they seem to think it will. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/473 "2024-09-15T17:18:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > That’s why he’s doubling down on the Springfield nonsense, even though it makes him look mentally deranged, and even the Republican governor of Ohio knows this is bullshit and says this forcefully on news shows. I’m shocked, even though I shouldn’t be anymore, that Vance’s wife, whose parents immigrated here in the 1980s, hasn’t thrown him out of the house yet. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/474 "2024-09-15T17:34:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > nobody’s talking about him being a couch-fucker anymore. Yeah, now he’s just a fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/475 "2024-09-15T17:38:44Z")
For most spouses of politicians, just follow the money trail. That’s likely the main attraction towards weirdos like Vance. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/476 "2024-09-15T17:56:51Z")
I admit I didn’t check every post–just the more recent ones, but I didn’t see mention of the fact that Vance basically admitted the cat-eating thing was a story he created. Here’s a Twitter post with the video: > [And here’s a NYT article on it.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/us/politics/jd-vance-springfield-pets.html) Direct quote from Vance (via the NYT article): > The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes. If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/477 "2024-09-15T18:27:39Z")
Not that I would ever defend this reprehensible excuse for a human being, but to be fair, Vance just made a poor choice of words in that statement. The story didn’t originate with him; I’m pretty sure it originated with right-wing propagandists who grossly distorted a story about a mentally ill woman in Canton (not Springfield, and who was American-born, not an immigrant) who killed a cat by stomping on it and then allegedly ate it. She’s been charged with animal cruelty and other things and is in jail with bond set at $100,000, and is pleading insanity. Vance should be properly vilified not for his poor choice of words, but for what he really did and was really saying between the lines, which was that he popularized (not created) the story in order to drum up anti-immigrant hate. IIRC, it was the lunatic Laura Loomer who planted the “Haitians in Springfield eating cats and dogs” in Trump’s tiny brain. The Harris campaign got wind of it and Harris was half-expecting Trump to blurt it out at some point, and I’m sure was utterly delighted when she successfully baited him into an unhinged rant where he did just that. At this point Vance is doubling down on defending his orange master **and** promoting anti-immigrant hate – win-win! 🙄 There’s a longer version of that interview about 7 posts up. Vance is just an incredible hateful opportunistic tool, and obviously not very bright. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/478 "2024-09-15T18:30:34Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I’m shocked, even though I shouldn’t be anymore, that Vance’s wife, whose parents immigrated here in the 1980s, hasn’t thrown him out of the house yet. I know it’s an extreme long shot, for lots of reasons, but this would be a delicious October surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/479 "2024-09-15T18:34:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I admit I didn’t check every post–just the more recent ones, but I didn’t see mention of the fact that Vance basically admitted the cat-eating thing was a story he created. > > Here’s a Twitter post with the video: > > [x.com](https://x.com/MikeNellis/status/1835324106037772655) > > [And here’s a NYT article on it.](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/15/us/politics/jd-vance-springfield-pets.html) > > Direct quote from Vance (via the NYT article): > > > The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes. If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do. That’s reprehensible. It’s like if you were having a dispute with your next door neighbor over the height of his fence and were frustrated because your other neighbors weren’t outraged and didn’t give a fuck……so then you started telling your other neighbors that your next door neighbor abused your child, then claimed you were in the right because suddenly every one was as outraged against your neighbor as you thought they should be. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/480 "2024-09-15T18:40:12Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > It’s like if you were having a dispute with your next door neighbor over the height of his fence and were frustrated because your other neighbors weren’t outraged and didn’t give a fuck……so then you started telling your other neighbors that your next door neighbor abused your child, then claimed you were in the right because suddenly every one was as outraged against your neighbor as you thought they should be. Close to 20 years ago, Stephen Colbert coined the word “[truthiness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness)” – something that isn’t actually true, but that fits with the “truth” that a group wants to exists. A lot of Trump’s recent BS things, like this, are clear examples of truthiness. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=25)