# JD Vance Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 19, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892 "2024-08-19T00:22:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/561 "2024-09-22T09:51:49Z")
[![](https://y.yarn.co/f7a9d388-074c-49ff-91c1-7d42e3a6b7ae_text.gif) ](https://y.yarn.co/f7a9d388-074c-49ff-91c1-7d42e3a6b7ae_text.gif) (The receptionist’s name is Dawn.) Just to show you that it’s not just an American saying. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/562 "2024-09-22T09:57:14Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > He’s had Atlas since he was a puppy, it’s his dog. He named his dog Atlas. Of course he did. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/563 "2024-09-22T10:26:15Z")
Here’s an [article](https://www.pennlive.com/politics/2024/09/tucker-carlson-jd-vance-in-hershey-most-revealing-moments.html) about Vance’s sit-down interview with Tucker Carlson. There’s a lot to it, but this quote jumped out at me: “Said Vance: “We do a lot of interviews. President Trump is doing a ton of interviews with hostile media, with friendly media, with everybody in the middle. “ Has he, though? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/564 "2024-09-22T12:19:34Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Has he, though? What difference does that make? Vance wants it to be true. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/565 "2024-09-22T15:52:22Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > What difference does that make? The difference it makes is that MAGATs who _don’t_ watch or read anything other than right-wing media are being told by Vance that Trump is doing “a ton of interviews with hostile media,” and since they don’t expose themselves, at all, to what they’d consider “hostile media,” they’re likely to take Vance at his word. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/566 "2024-09-22T16:03:10Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > it’s a little _too_ bro-casual (as well as mildly profane) for a vice-presidential candidate Shucks, his idol and exemplar used the _big one_ last year in a public speech, so JD is just trying in his own insufficient way to emulate him in potty-mouthity: I had to break the link (rejoin you & tube) to get it to load – the “event” is at 19 sec. [https://www.you](https://www.you) [tube.com/watch?v=kxQuKuTmpCE](http://tube.com/watch?v=kxQuKuTmpCE) [Sorry y’all I just can’t seem to remember the trick for posting video. Why does it have to be so difficult??] ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/567 "2024-09-22T16:05:24Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > [Sorry y’all I just can’t seem to remember the trick for posting video. Why does it have to be so difficult??] Hide/collapse the “preview” window that is to the right side of your post-composition window; that usually works for me. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/568 "2024-09-22T16:20:13Z")
“Ass-crack of dawn” is a Tom Waits line, and in context is pretty funny. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/569 "2024-09-22T16:30:23Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > I’ve heard that used many times by actual normal human people. > > As have I, though it’s a little _too_ bro-casual (as well as mildly profane) for a vice-presidential candidate to use in a public interview, and it comes across as though he’s trying to sound cool. He’s going for “regular approachable working class Midwest guy you’d wanna have a (domestic) beer with.” But since he’s really a lizard-person he can’t fake even unwashed 'Murrican very well. Despite having been born and grown up as one. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/570 "2024-09-22T16:33:13Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > He’s going for “regular approachable working class Midwest guy you’d wanna have a (domestic) beer with.” > > But since he’s really a lizard-person he can’t fake even unwashed 'Murrican very well. Agreed. Instead, he comes across as “crass fake dude who’s trying too hard, says inappropriate stuff in hopes you’ll find it funny, and whom you wouldn’t trust to date your daughter.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/571 "2024-09-22T17:40:38Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > [Sorry y’all I just can’t seem to remember the trick for posting video. Why does it have to be so difficult??] There’s a sticky in Site Feedback for this now: > [@How to avoid the YouTube posting bug](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-avoid-the-youtube-posting-bug/1007499/): > > You’re trying to post a YouTube video, but you get a popup saying “You can’t embed media items in a post.” Here’s how to avoid that. There are a couple of minor variations. I haven’t written my post yet Write your post normally but do not include the YouTube link(s). When you are satisfied with the post, hide the preview window (see the \<\< button in the lower-right). Then, insert the links in the desired locations. Note that the links should each appear on a line by themselves. Then post. … ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/572 "2024-09-22T17:48:59Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > So the dog was fake, added by the campaign. ⁢ > > @BigT, you were had. ⁢ Yep. It didn’t even occur to me that, the way it was said, it could have been sarcastic. I did check replies (which didn’t say anything at the time), but I didn’t think to look for a longer clip or check for news coverage. Definitely my bad. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/573 "2024-09-22T17:57:55Z")
Once reality can’t be told from satire, the converse becomes true as well. Satire can’t be told from reality. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/574 "2024-09-22T18:17:44Z")
Or, as Tom Lehrer said: > “Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel peace prize.” ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/575 "2024-09-22T18:57:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The difference it makes is that MAGATs who _don’t_ watch or read anything other than right-wing media are being told by Vance that Trump is doing “a ton of interviews with hostile media,” and since they don’t expose themselves, at all, to what they’d consider “hostile media,” they’re likely to take Vance at his word. I agree; to you, and me, and the world, the truth does matter. However, the question “has he, though?” sounded as though it was being posed to Vance himself. I was trying to explain Vance’s thought process, not my own. He wants it to be true, so he says it, truth be damned. Hell, maybe he’s so self-deluded that he even believes what he says. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/576 "2024-09-22T18:59:56Z")
The burning question is, does he let the dog get up on the couch? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/577 "2024-09-22T19:21:59Z")
No way. My Daddy said that his whole life. And he was old. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/578 "2024-09-22T19:41:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > per $200, Latine id est $CC, amice ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/579 "2024-09-22T20:25:11Z")
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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892/580 "2024-09-22T20:38:47Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Would you still have to phrase “post hoc ergo prompter hoc” in the form of a question? You don’t have ask for the category and value to be revealed in the form of a question. If the revealed answer in the “logical fallacies” category was “JD Vance says cars seats prevent babies” I might respond with “What is an example of the _post hoc ergo prompter hoc_ fallacy?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jd-vance-discussion-thread/1005892.md?page=30)